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pffbt, capitalism... (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 19 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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OMG CHINA BASED?!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Something transitional state something something "It's definitely not just Dengism"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

something something trust the plan guys something something any day now

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

This is what Marx envisioned!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

In my 6 visits to China I was always struck with how ultra capitalist it is. Everyone is hustling and the religion is money, far beyond in the US

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's always a bit of a culture shock. What are some of the things you saw?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Not OP and I haven't been in a decade but every time in the past I went I was always shocked by how much bribery or "gift giving" was ingrained into the culture. I heard it's less of a thing now though but I cannot confirm.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

you know i'm beginning to think china might not be very communist.

[+] [email protected] -18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

All Chinese companies are owned by the Chinese government. It's still a centralized economy.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, like they said, not communist: state capitalist.

People really don't understand what communism is.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, China's not communist at all

[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN

wanna buy some child-labour gucci shoes?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn't "buy" them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how "everything's just free now" would work. They just say "no more money" and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren't fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is "someone will want to clean septic tanks" and I know there's a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can't imagine it's enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

listen comrade it's vital for the state that your 5 year old makes gucci shoes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Да товарищ

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because some tasks receive volunteers, any task society needs done will receive volunteers? I don't think that's true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Completely unrelated, but are you (barsquid) the drunken alter ego of FlyingSquid by chance? Lol

Alternate joke: "or are you one GBP owned by a tavern?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

You hope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like a daydream

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won't happen, I'm sure we'll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Yeah. consider how many masterpieces there are just unable to be made.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

First of all I believe it'd be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just "hope someone invents them now that they're bored."

Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they're "bored." You can't just be like "well I'm bored because I'm no longer a plumber I think I'll invent a time machine."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It's not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.

For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )

( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

When there is nothing that can be gained from others

That will always exist. If everyone has enough resources, we'll compete for other stuff like status symbols. That's just how human nature is, we're never content and always want to progress relative to those around us.

And no, human population doesn't need to go down. Every time we get to some number scientists pick for a maximum, we blow past it and figure out how to sustain the new population. I don't see any reason for that to change, we're remarkably good at solving problems we create, though frequently later than is comfortable. I don't know where you're pulling that 528 million figure from...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.

alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can't handle certain stimuli?