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Both Parties Are Getting Men Wrong (www.politico.com)

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There is a real political opportunity right now for a party to craft an agenda that speaks to men — and addresses their real problems.

Contrary to progressive belief, young men are not turning into a generation of misogynists. Support for gender equality continues to rise, including among men under 30. The problem seems more to be that many men simply don’t see much recognition of their issues, or even of their identity, on the political left.

If the Democrats are the “women’s party,” as one party strategist claimed, it might not be surprising that men are looking in another direction. The official party platform lists the groups it is proud to serve; women are listed but men are not. There is a new Gender Policy Council in the White House, but it has not addressed a single issue facing boys or men.

The failure to engage with men’s issues is proving to be a costly mistake, particularly in our politics and culture. The challenges facing many men, especially working-class men and men of color, are not the confections of the online “manosphere.” They are real. But they have not been sufficiently addressed, or sometimes even acknowledged. This has left a vacuum, which has been filled, in many cases, by more reactionary voices from the manosphere.

When problems are neglected, they metastasize into grievances. And grievances can be weaponized in service of reactionary goals. The solution, then, is almost comically simple: Don’t neglect the problems.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Another bullshit article spouting the same bullshit "Expand Career and Technical Education: Increase investment in vocational schools and CTE programs that provide hands-on learning and practical skills. Studies show that boys who attend technical high schools can see earnings up to a third higher. These programs prepare students for high-demand careers in trades like electrical work, plumbing and carpentry."

It's all about creating good worker bees.

What is needed; 1)Free universal healthcare for all people, not dependent on anyone's job. 2)Housing for all homeless people. 3)Funded food banks.

What is needed for education: 1)Better funding.

What is needed for the lower middle class: 1)Laws that allow for unionization. 2)Nationalization of many of the key industries such as railways, ports, hospitals. 3)Insurance such as home and auto through public government bodies. 4)A national, public, bank that has a high interest saving's account and no bank fees.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They must be getting desperate if they're addressing men's issues.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a man my main concerns are my wife not dying from a risky pregnancy, my special needs children having health insurance, and them not growing up in a mad max wasteland. I think Kamala feels me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Congratulations on missing the point. Those are important issues but they indirectly affect men, they aren't men's issues. I'm not going to withhold a vote because men's issues are being ignored, ignoring men's issues is SOP and this election is too high stakes for that. However, the fact that ignoring men's issues is SOP, and that Harris is addressing men's issues, means they are desperate enough to start talking about things that have traditionally been ignored to get every vote they can.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What would those solutions actually look like?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Read the article, they list some.

For example, including vasectomies in covered procedures under the ACA; right now it's not, forcing most couples to look at the more significant and dangerous procedures for women; or tackling men's health issues (both physical and mental health), as well as improving education outcomes by increasing the number of men as teachers; (as well as programs that encourage technical education- something that would in point of fact help everyone.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Good article. His proposed solutions are practical and would have impact.

[+] [email protected] -22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Any man not willing to stand for the women in his life is worthless. That's it. End of message.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You know, it'd be real nice, if the first comment on a posted article about how men are being pigeonholed and stereotyped into Raging Right Wing Misogynist Dipshits™️despite the fact that most younger men are in fact far more progressive than older men.... wasn't pigeonholing men into raging misogynists.

Are you wrong? not really. But that doesn't make this the place to share that particular "message." Actually. it kind of makes it the dumbest place to share it.

which, point of fact, is exactly what this article is talking about.

some highlights from the article:

Contrary to progressive belief, young men are not turning into a generation of misogynists. Support for gender equality continues to rise, including among men under 30. The problem seems more to be that many men simply don’t see much recognition of their issues, or even of their identity, on the political left.
...(snip)...
The mistake being made on both sides is to see gender equality as a zero-sum game; that to do more for boys and men means doing less on behalf of girls and women. There is so much more to do for girls and women, and not just on the health care front: investing in the care economy to help working mothers especially; increasing the share of women in critical occupations, not least the worlds of tech and politics; modernizing career ladders to reduce the “parenting penalty”; reducing barriers to accessing capital for women entrepreneurs and much more.

But working on behalf of women doesn’t require politicians to turn their backs on men. In the real world, the interests of men and women are not pitted against each other, however much our culture warriors tell us otherwise. There are plenty of progressive young women out there worried about their brother’s mental health, plenty of working-class women concerned about their husband’s job prospects. It is hard to create a society of flourishing women if men are floundering.

It goes on to talk about specific issues affecting men. it's a very good read. You should read it.

(Edit, tidied the quote for formatting.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Can you flip this statement around and agree with it, as unconditionally as you have just stated it?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

This is not the issue. Men can stand for the women in their life, no problem. The question is who is standing for them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Any ~~man~~ person not willing to stand for the ~~women~~ people in [their] life is worthless. ~~That's it. End of message.~~ As well as those not willing to stand for the people not directly in their lives.

We all have a responsibility to each other, regardless of gender.