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Defederated from Feddit.nl. Update: Refederated! (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Lately we have been dealing with a few abusive members from Feddit.nl and we were unable to get in touch with the instance administrator.

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup. This in combination with an inactive admin is a recipe for abuse.

We hope this is only temporary but we have to do this to protect our users.

Edit: we use fediseer, have a look https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

Edit 2: We got in touch with the Feddit.nl admin. Email requirements were added to the sign-up process and we're setting up a communication channel. So that means we are federating with Feddit.nl again!

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[-] [email protected] 242 points 1 year ago

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I love it!

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[-] [email protected] 199 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the transparency, sad to hear as always to see a country specific instance to go unmanaged

Edit: I guess a few people will miss [email protected] from @[email protected]

[-] freamon 74 points 1 year ago

New home: [email protected]

Will probably post to both for a while, until we have some kind of resolution.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

You can still go to the instance and read it, subscribe to it from a non-defederated instance, or even create an account there directly.

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[-] [email protected] 134 points 1 year ago

Sucks to see my home countries instance isn’t being moderated properly

[-] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago

Well .world is also managed partly from NL :-)

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vinden wij ook hoor

Edit: we think so too

Better learn dutch now for when it becomes our instance's primary language once @ruud, @quinten and I pushed out the other admins.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

Don’t tell our plans…

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[-] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago

You guys are very transparent and that's great. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

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[-] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good to be back! 😅 🥳

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

It's funny that this post on feddit.nl has 20 upvotes. It doesn't catch up once the federation starts again. I thought it would tbh

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They've already replied with the reasons, but - for future reference - if you want to see specifics of things like this, a censure is often posted to https://fediseer.com. .world's censure of .nl is here

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Updated the original post. FYI You can click on the fediseer endorsement emblem that is in the Lemmy World sidebar. That will take you here: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for all you do!

Somewhat related: any word on re-enabling image uploads? I understand completely why you had to do it, just wondering if there's a roadmap?

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Image uploads had an issue a while ago but should be working. Which client are you using?

[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

Oh, sorry I haven't tried in a while. Looks like it's back up! Thanks!

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well that’s disappointing, but glad the lemmy.world team are making sure they are on top of it and keeping transparency with all that you do. Thank you.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hiya! Question, is there a way we can see this sort of information ourselves as well? Namely, reports and admin activity logs.

What’s to stop an instance, then a collection of instances and so on from claiming others aren’t being actively moderated in order to censor?

Not making any accusations obviously, just a thought I had while reading.

[-] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago

I mean, it's easy to go over to feddit.nl and see they only have one admin who has not been active in almost two weeks.

Full transparancy: the abuse we were dealing with from that instance was vote manipulation and worse, csam. Especially in the case of csam we can not wait for days for a reaction.

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[-] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago

The modlog for the entire instance is available in a link at the bottom and the sidebar on the main page. Everything should be there.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Part of the problem is the instance's open registrations which do not require you to enter an e-mail address during signup.

How is this even a thing? Why would the Lemmy software even allow operation like this?

[-] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago

Back when I signed up for reddit, you didn't need an email and they warned you if you lost your password you'd be locked out of your account until you regained it and they would not offer support to reset it

I liked that. I don't want to have to submit my email for everything just to interact

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

One of the reasons I have my own email domain and random email addresses for certain services.

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

Let's be real - an email address doesn't really stop much of anything. Anyone can really easily spin up new email addresses freely.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah I still don't have an email associated with my reddit account. Which shocks people... although I haven't logged on in months, so maybe it's now required for legacy accounts

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Sadly yeah. We absolutely should use email signup because it filters our the absolute lowest effort bots, but it does nothing against higher quality bots or humans. Not only can you easily spin up new emails on the fly, but many emails allow ways to make the email appear unique (eg, Gmail ignores dots and anything after the + sign), there's plenty of temporary email services with a variety of domains, and if you own a domain, you can trivially create unlimited emails until they catch on and ban the entire domain.

Inactive admins are also an issue, but if malicious users are determined enough, it doesn't matter that much how active an admin is. An active admin can mostly help by making IP banning an option (imperfect, but will work on many humans) and can temporarily turn on approvals to make it easier to weed out low hanging fruit. Nothing will work against someone determined enough, but could at least reduce how many instances they can turn to.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Because anyone running it can decide to do it this way. That's how code works; you can edit it. Even if the option wasn't there, if any instance admin wants that to happen it's easy to do.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Lemmy is open source. Everyone can modify it to fit their needs.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Last I checked, even Reddit allows signups without an email address…

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

It seems like the user who posted the csam has been banned, does that mean the admin/mod is active again?

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

With the nature of the recent attacks I think it makes perfect sense to take strong precautions necessary to protect the community. Can always refederate when/if the admin gets ahold of the situation.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

What defines an "abusive member"?