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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

At this point they should just let ppl customize a plan

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It’s nice to have the option, but I feel like 20GB doesn’t really do much. Especially if it’s for storing photos.

It could be nice if they could set a $/GB price, so I could customise the amount of storage instead.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

It's for people who need more than 5GB but not 200GB. People in the developing world, or lower income brackets, who can't afford 5-10 USD a month, or people who transfer photos offline instead of keeping their entire camera roll in the cloud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they probably slice up drives. What you're recommending would probably lead to wasted disk space.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I doubt it, it's probably more efficient (and cheaper) to use some sort of object storage method and store each file as an encrypted blob

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, cool, where's the Linux client though?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They open sourced it, so it's just a matter of time now. Linux is still a relatively small amount of their business though so they probably aren't going to make it a priority in-house unfortunately. As a Linux user, I'm well aware that we're still a vocal minority of users

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right of course, but it's not a reason to stop asking for that feature. Especially if you're a paying customer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is a little annoying to see it posted on every unrelated thread though. Yeah we all want it, but it's not like the bosses are here reading the comments!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Probably not the bosses but someone probably does. Someone who reports to the bosses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm still on google for email and a bit of drive, calendar etc. I've been reading stuff about Proton with some interest as I'd like to ditch google. This doesn't encourage me - what's the point of a mobile only plan? Isn't half the point of a cloud drive to allow sharing with other platforms? I'm just thinking aloud here - I could go read their offerings where I'd probably find that it's their lowest entry level tier and they have less restrictive plans with clients for various platforms?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what's the point of a mobile only plan?

The plan can only be bought on mobile(through playstore and app store).

Files are going to be accessible on all platforms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So Proton introduces a service that requires a Google account, amazing /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They seem to often be woefully unaware of who their demographic is...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bit of an odd statement. It's not as if all Proton users are hardcore privacy fanatics who use custom ROMs on their phone

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People that want a different storage/mail provider that isn't Google, MS or Apple while still using the OS that came with the phone. Be it for privacy reasons or for not wanting to support their anticompetitive practices.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

that isn't Google, MS or Apple

You cant just say "companies that are not X, Y and Z" without further explanation. That doesn't answer my question. People are not paying for something that is otherwise "free" for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You asked what the Proton users are that don't use custom ROMs. I replied people that simply want an alternative to Google, Apple or Microsoft services. That does answer your question, with the reasons also in there: anticompetitive practices and privacy concerns, among others.

I'm not sure what you want to hear from me. People don't all have the same values (or give the same weight to said values) so they don't all act the same. It's not a binary where you either care so you go all in or you don't care.

Some of Proton's users will use custom ROMs, others won't (like myself). Reasons for that differ from person to person. Some want to go all in on privacy and get rid of everything Google/Apple, they'll likely go custom ROM. Others just want Big Tech to not read their emails for advertisments or block your account because you've uploaded pictures of your children to your cloud storage. Some just don't like Big Tech's tendency to be anticompetitive and don't want to support it. Some want to use a service not from the US. Some like how Proton looks and feels etc etc. You can switch to Proton for all those reasons and not want/need a custom ROM. And yeah, some only look at what's free and won't use Proton.

To take myself as an example, I am one such user that doesn't have a custom ROM, but uses Proton. Why? I simply wanted to move away from, in my case, Microsoft's Outlook and Onedrive because I didn't like them being able to read my emails and use it for ads. That doesn't justify flashing my phone, which has little custom ROM support btw, with the potential of bricking it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You asked what the Proton users are that don't use custom ROMs.

I asked about privacy advocates. You can use Proton otherwise without a Google account and without a custom ROM.

I replied people that simply want an alternative to Google, Apple or Microsoft services. That does answer your question

It doesn't, because there are a thousand other email providers. Which just leaves privacy advocates (their demographic).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I asked about privacy advocates

Then I misunderstood. If it's just about privacy advocates, sure, most Proton users are privacy advocates in some form or another, though there are still alternatives to Proton in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I would say in that case of making the best use of all their offerings (mail, drive, calendar) Proton unlimited is the way to go: https://proton.me/drive/pricing I made the switch a year ago from a Google and I'm happy with Unlimited.

But they also have a free tier, good enough to try everything out. Plus individual subscription options for every one of their products (for example Drive Plus).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Makes no sense a subscription for 20GB / 0,99 a month. You better take a iCloud 50GB subscription for 0,99 a month and use Cryptomator to store your files on iCloud. This is how I do it. Even store Carbon Copy backups (through Cryptomator) this way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Or you can pay less for something like S3 if you're putting software in between anyway