TechTakes

flat fuckin zero

most of this shit doesn't exist

NFTs exist

lol

(I might be paraphrasing Folding Ideas here, I'm not sure)

The developers of these apps didn't use blockchain or crypto because they were the best way to build the app. They used blockchain and crypto because they love them and think everyone should be using them. In fact, the only reason these apps exist is to encourage people to use cryptocurrency.

So no, there are no examples.

The haveno decentralized exchange looks interesting. I don't even know if that counts as Web 3.

https://haveno.exchange/

But even those crazy guys aren't expecting you to attach your wallet to a web browser.

I think there are some valid options for micropayment distributed systems around social networking, message passing, especially with lots of spam in the environment. Like I'm willing to pay a fraction of money to send a message and support the network I use.. like Lemmy

Like imagine if every post on Lemmy cost a fraction of the penny, and the money went to support the The hosting instance. That could be interesting.

But the vast majority of things that claim to be web3 distributed applications aren't. They're centralized, they just use crypto as a way to centralize the money.

PoolTogether a no loss lottery.

Essentially a savings account that enters you in daily and weekly draws to win. Prize draw is funded by the pools "interest" made in that week.

Need your savings again, pull it out and spend it.. .

I don't think most people would consider it web3 but there's stuff based on IPFS and related/similar projects that for example let you chat with people without need for any sort of server (technically, you need some "server" to bootstrap yourself into the network but it's very much a small detail and you can just store a list of peers you've seen and hope that they'll be enough to bootstrap you.)

The whole "web3.0" and blockchain thing is such a damned shame because it has tainted projects like IPFS by association, and IPFS (really mostly libp2p which ipfs is built on) mostly actually lives up to the hype around decentralization, at least for networking nerds.

I think my favourite example of how libp2p/ipfs can revolutionize things so far is https://hyprspace.io, one guy was able to put together a VPN that is so much nicer to use than stuff like wireguard, you just run it on every device, configure the IP you want the devices to have, and so long as they can discover each other over some connection (switching between connections is still janky sadly) It Just Works. Yeah the average person is probably bored to tears but to me that's.. magic, that's how networking should have been for the last 20 years!

I never recognised web 2.0 because my first encounter with it was a PM walking up to my desk and asking if I could code in web 2.0

Web 1.0: You put some contents on the Internet and monotise people who want to read it.

Web 2.0: You put up a public forum and monotise people both contributing content and reading content.

Web 3: Cryptocurrency (the use of the World Wide Web is optional).

Web 3.0 as defined by the author of Web 1.0: Sematic Web: Everything is linked to everything else with an explanation for how they are related. Instead of learning information, we all play Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon.

I think Heydon Pickering summed it up well https://briefs.video/videos/what-is-web-3.0/

That's what I find incredible about this community. We're here in 2023 and they still forget that the core value of "not your keys not your wallet" is the equivalent of putting your cash under your mattress instead of using a bank. The complexity that comes with that is unavoidable. It is essential that you know you are in control of an entity that is there or is not there, and no insurance can bring it back because it is fully decentralised.

You can get more people to use a mediocre product/technology by making it easy to use

People will use complex products/technologies if they are useful enough.

These people know they can't make it more useful so they keep banging their head against the wall trying to make it more simple.

It is inevitable that they will keep trying to deceive people into thinking it is simple.

Don't you know, the best way to make the decentralized wave of the future, new money, money work best is to give third parties access to it and centralize it.

I don’t wish you work

But I will probably enjoy seeing what happens if they show up, no lies

wot?

you would give any website your credit card details just for authentication?

I pay for my VPN, mullvad, with crypto monthly. €5 a month. Is that web 3?