Many years ago, a woman that worked at the same place, just didn't turn up one day. I think they (the closest thing we had to HR at the time) let this slide for a week, then called her. She just said "Oh, I didn't work to work there any more".
I don't think they pursued it any further and let it at that.
I just don't understand that mentality. You burn a bridge, when you could just send an email or something saying you quit and keep the possibility of coming back sometime open. Or if your boss actually liked you, you could have gotten a recommendation, but instead decided to make their life suck.
Just send an email saying you quit, it's really not that hard.
I thought it was weird at the time. The contracts had a notice period in, and it's not like many US states where employment is at-will. The employer is definitely required to give notice (albeit they can send you home and just pay you the notice period, which many do). So I suspect they could have gone after her for that, if they wanted to.
Likely they considered it not worth pursuing, though.
But if you're going to violate a contract anyway, might as well make dealing with that easier for your direct manager. Maybe you're unwilling to work those three months, but sending an email saying you resign at least helps your boss out. My boss put one of my coworkers on disability leave, for example, instead of firing them (he fired them when they came back after a couple months and the issue wasn't resolved).
But it all starts with actually making the most base level of effort. An email takes like 10 seconds and doesn't need to be long:
Sorry for the short notice, but I can't work here anymore and won't be coming in anymore. Know I'm supposed to give more notice, but I just can't. Sorry again.
As someone that manages people, I'd be annoyed with that, but less annoyed than if someone just stopped showing up. In fact, if they were a decent worker, I might respond with something like this:
Thanks for letting me know. Here's the documentation for short-term disability, if that's what you need. Let me know if you'd like to try that. I've started processing your resignation with the shortest possible term (X days), but I can cancel that if you let my know by . I've told the team you're out sick, so coming back won't be an issue if you choose to.
I hope everything is well, please feel free to reach out, even if you just want to talk.
And if I really didn't like the employee:
Sorry to hear that, thanks for letting me know, I've started processing your resignation. Our policy is 3 months notice, and the consequence for doing that is . I've attached a copy of the company policy for you to review.
Let me know if you need anything further.
Both are better than sending no notice at all.
I worked with someone who did this. It was the HR person. She just didn't show up one day, didn't answer her phone or door. For a solid week. After a wellness check by the police, it was revealed that she was fine, just couldn't go back in to work because she hated her job so much.
I was young, and it was a shitty grocery chain filled with shitty management and shitty customers. I 100% thought she had killed herself, or skipped town for some other awful reason. It was a relief to hear she was OK. Fuck that store.
what if we organized the workers but instead of striking we all just don't show up and gaslight the regional management into thinking everything's fine
Because the store management isn't going to organize with us rabble. It's also hard to mimic the hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars worth of sales that regional looks at in their accounts. Pulling the wool over their eyes on that level is getting into bank fraud territory, and would require the aid of, and not just also not showing up, of bank workers.
Are you ok yourself? Do you still work there?
You sound like a good person, wish you two were friends so she might not be as depressed.
I am in a much better environment! This was about 10 years ago, and that particular store closed. I also ghosted that job. They had been harassing my trans coworker friend so we just stopped showing up. They did NOT try to call me :)
This guy fucks, what a kind soul
That reminds me when I missed the first day of teaching because of a really bad flu causing me to lose track of the dates, I got a very concerned call from my advisor who thought I offed myself. Apparently not too uncommon for underpaid adjunct professors, unfortunately.
When I was in grad school I knew a guy who just simply didn't teach for half the semester. No contact with students, no classes held, just didn't show. He gave everyone a passing grade on the midterm and came back halfway through. No explanation. He was not fired. Of course, like the rest of us, he was grossly underpaid and didn't have health insurance. I guess they get what they get if they're gonna treat us like cogs, right?
Sometimes I wonder how people get away with stuff like this. I recall that story from Spain, I think, where a guy was getting a paycheck for like 20 years but not working at all. I guess they did a reorg and his new 'boss' didn't know about him and he never got work assigned and he just stopped showing up...for years.
It has to be a pointless job to start with, right? If I just didn't work at my job for a week it would probably get noticed. If I no-showed completely it certainly would.
I'd probably be given the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks if I just stopped producing work. I could maybe make it a month before someone said something about my performance but only because sometimes the things I work on take a while to come to fruition. And missing meetings isn't uncommon because of conflicts/being super busy.
Id probably also get the benefit of the doubt if I no-showed too. But after a two days they'd call my wife or come by my house, or send the police department to my house to check on me.
I ran away from my site like this one day. I was working as an Engineer Trainee. No one gave a damn. Eventually, I returned after a month or so. Resigned in less than one month after returning. Man, I hate this country with a passion where you are not even treated as a human being, but as a machine.
You were able to leave your job for a month, come back and continue like nothing happened, then were able to resign a month after that...and you are saying you weren't treated like a human?
Yeah, that company is really tolerant. I'm guessing OP could've negotiated a sabbatical with people that lax.
Average .ml take
Which country? (I would guess Mali since you're using a .ml domain... 😉)
This is advanced ghosting.
It’s proactive.
I ghost people before they even don’t give me their number.
people think I died
receives flowers
Checks note that came with them
"Get well soon."
Maybe they didn’t actually think you died, and you’re just making bold assumptions.
It's not wise to make fun of zombies.
3 month bullshit for resign? What kind of work contract is that?
Thats how it works in apparently most of europe. In poland for example its based on your tenure. With 3 month being the max after you work there for more than 3 years. If you are not important enough for the company and want to start your new work earlier it can be negotiated down i think.
Let me introduce you to Europe
I have 6 months in Germany, all managers at my company get this. I find it a bit too much, but it can usually be negotiated
I don't know what are you talking about. In my country the standard is two weeks and max one month in special cases. I've participated in the hiring of multiple people from different European countries and they never asked for more than one month to join in, except when they wanted to relocate.
In France, the standard for software engineers is 3 months. Verified with this official source https://code.travail.gouv.fr/outils/preavis-demission. With convention "Bureaux d'études techniques, cabinets d'ingénieurs-conseils et sociétés de conseils".
That's crazy. So if they present a same day resignation note they have to pay a three month salary penalty? That's just companies stealing workers' money.
It's often a negotiable point (and should be in your negotiations with any company): the amount of time I give an employer as notice is directly tied to my exit package type stuff.
Here it is defined in the collective bargain. So if you have 30 notice period and want to reduce it to 15 you have to bargain for it through one of the workers' union present in the negotiations with the company.
I don't think I understand your comment, who has to pay a penalty? Who's stealing what? You can't do a same day resignation unless the company agrees. If they don't agree, they can ask you to keep working for 3 months, and if you don't come to work, they may declare you abandoned your job. Then, they don't have to pay you, but you're still officially an employee so you can't legally start a new contract, they may ask you for a compensation payment and also sue you for damage.
In Spain you may resign before, but they can subtract for each missing working day to the notice period end the money they own you (it is a penalty, not just discounting from salary the days you are not working). In some cases leaving workers use their remaining PTO days to exchange to leave before the period of notice as they have the same value. So in Spain a greater period of notice can result in bigger penalties when leaving a company, while companies can fire you on the spot (paying the required severance).
No, not at all.
If the company fire you they have to pay you, e.g., three months notice, regardless of if they want you to do the work or not.
If you quit without notice, you might have to pay the costs incurred by you quitting early, but that's not your salary -because they now wouldn't be paying you.
Costs might be something like the company having to refuse an order because they now don't have enough people to do the work, or the increased cost of an expedited hiring process.
I don't know how common costs are in France, but the UK has the same rules and essentially no one ever claims costs. You need to really fuck over your employee in a very explicit and well documented way for this to even be considered.
The main disadvantage is you will have a bad reference if you leave without notice.
So a company with a higher revenue may reclaim higher costs, even if they paid like shit? Doesn't look fair to me. In Spain that penalty for not complying with the notice period is automatic. Also companies hiring don't care for references unless they know directly the person that wrote it (so only useful for small indistry sectors).
In theory. It's just standard contract law. You violate the contract, so you have to make the other party right.
In practice, the court is likely to go, "You should've hired someone else to do the work. No costs"
To be fair this is a counterpart for being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people's life less stressful.
IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.
Let's say you have an opportunity to work somewhere else making 2x more, but you have to wait 3 months. Or let's say your boss really sucks, but you have to tough it out for 3 months. Or let's say a close family member dies but your company won't give you time off to grieve, you just have to put that off for 3 months.
How productive do you think you'd be in those 3 months? I can't speak for you, but I certainly wouldn't be giving it my all...
In the US, there's no minimum for most industries, but 2-weeks is expected (6-weeks in health care apparently). I think anyone can put up with almost anything for 2-weeks, and the 2-weeks isn't even required, it's just expected. And honestly, every time we had someone resign, we won't trust them with new projects anyway, so they end up doing very little for most of those 2-weeks.
Europe's economy is like an old Volvo. It's slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA's economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth
It is actually really nice.
It works both ways, if they fire you, you still have a job for 3 months at least. Giving you plenty of time to find a new job. You also get half a day per week (paid) to use for soliciting other companies.
Generally it is more devastating to lose your job than it is to lose an employee. Since you have plenty of other employees who can temporarily fill in, while you generally have only one job that pays for everything you do.
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