It's good that he's going away for 22 years. However, the sentencing guidelines called for between 324 to 405 months (27-33 years) so by the Judge's own calculations this is a miscarriage of justice and yet another right wing domestic terrorist is being handled with kid gloves. Fucking disgraceful.
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27 year minimum sentences are already insanity. If the justice system is supposed to be corrective rather than vengeful, there's nothing to be gained from these overly long sentences. No one's willingness to commit a crime is going to change with a 22 year sentence vs. a 33 year sentence, and the offender is no more likely to reform in years 23-33 than they were in years 12-22.
22 years is A LONG TIME. So long that they're almost certainly going to have fully adapted to prison life as "normal" long before it ends, and long enough that no one would ever consider it a reasonable cost for potential reward. Someone getting a two-decade sentence was entirely counting on not getting caught/charged.
The American system is built for punishment and profit. Most Americans don't seem to be interested in justice or rehabilitation, they just want blood. Good example is the 50 or so prisoners who have died in Texas from the heat, most weren't there for violent crimes or life imprisonment, yet the response to their death is mostly "whatever, they're bad people" as people show no interest in fixing anything.
... using Texas as an example about the entire USA is probably not a great choice.
Should we use the conditions of California prisons, which were so crowded that they were considered an unconstitutional human rights violation and prisoners were released by court order?
Profit prisons are just slavery with extra steps.
And then it was blocked:
I'm all for keeping him in there for longer, simply for the purpose of keeping him out of circulation. Doesn't hurt my feelings that he's going to be in his 60's before he gets out.
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It's so neat seeing how sentences suddenly become too long when a rightwing bigoted piece of shit gets something approaching the guidelines.
I think most people who object to long sentences on here aren't doing it out of sympathy for these guys' political views.
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Being arrested and being held a few weeks changed my perspective on just how long jail/prison time is vs time being free. Those weeks felt like an eternity.
It’s both corrective, and preventative. Animals like that piece of shit shouldn’t be trusted to walk amongst the public.
22 years ago was 2001. So the equivalent time from 9/11 to now in prison.
Doesn't seem like enough to me. I mean I went from 30 something to 50 something, I still have life in front of me.
If your desire is for him to not have any life in front of him, then your goal for the prison system is neither to prevent crime nor to rehabilitate criminals. Just admit it's bloodthirstiness and execute the wrongdoers.
Attempting to overthrow the government should be a life term or near enough to it.
It helps that he can't vote for the next 5 presidential elections and on release will no longer be allowed to own guns, but 22 years doesn't seem like enough.
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What I don’t get is who does he click up with? Are the whites going to take him? Is he white? Do they and will they break rules because of who he is? I ask these questions but in the end don’t give a shit I guess. Good riddance to this loser but yeah our prison system is quite fucked.
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Should've been maximum sentence.
If the reduced sentence allowed a swifter sentence, it may be a good thing overall, as this can now be used as precedent.
You can try to spin it as a "good thing" that the Trump appointed judge failed to deliver a sentence in accordance with the guidelines all you want. The fact of the matter remains Tarrio got off far too easy and by at least five years.
It was probably part of a plea deal. Defense agreed to lighter sentence in exchange for not appealing.
As pointed out, he is appealing. Also, it states that the prosecution requested the maximum sentence.
Article says Tarrio plans to appeal.
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He asked U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly, "please show me mercy" and that he "not take my 40s from me."
Try 40s and 50s, and some your 60s, you traitor scumbag
LOLOLOL. This is the "find out" stage for all these wanna-be tough guy hyperpatriots.
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Good. Let’s see what his daddy Trump gets. And good luck trying to get a pardon lol
I'm of the belief that it's never going to happen. He's an ex president, white, rich. The system was designed for him to get away with it. And even if he's find guilty, it'll be years of appeals, and he'll die of old age or a big Mac before he ever has to report to jail. Or he'll be pardoned by the next Republican president before he ever sets foot in jail.
I also believe the u.s government would never allow an ex president to end up in an orange jumpsuit. No matter who is president.
I, like you, am a cynic.
I don't agree at all frankly. I think for us to heal as a nation, he MUST be punished. This-could possibly be, quite literally, the biggest (series of?) crime(s) in American history. It cannot stand. And he cannot be pardoned in state charges. He also, technically, cannot hold office again due to the 14th amendment. It also sounds like there is still more charges to come and he's already looking at 91 felony charges.. people don't just get to walk away from this level of shit.
he’s already looking at 91 felony charges… people don’t just get to walk away from this level of shit.
You just watch. It has been more than obvious for decades for just about anyone abroad that the US have a 2-tiered justice system. You think that's just gonna change just because more Americans are aware of it now?! I wish for a conviction just like most decent human beings but I really dont believe it will happen.
I agree, but I thought the same of Nixon and Ronnie Raygun, and nothing happened to them. Same for Bush/ Cheney.
So I guess we'll see.
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Vote.
I really wish news articles on guys like this would not use photos of them where they are trying to look all "hard" in their stupid Meal Team Six gear, smoking a cigarette and/or wearing the glasses and backwards hat, and instead would use pictures where they look a bit more ridiculous.
Like when Henry was arrested. Or this one:
Good, let them all rot.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - A former chairman of the right-wing Proud Boys group was sentenced on Tuesday to 22 years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol by supporters of Donald Trump trying to overturn the former president's election defeat.
Enrique Tarrio was convicted of charges, including seditious conspiracy, for his role in planning the storming of the Capitol, when thousands of supporters of the Republican then-U.S. president violently tried to stop Congress from certifying the results of an election that Trump falsely claimed had widespread fraud.
Oath Keepers militia founder Stewart Rhodes in May was also sentenced to 18 years.
Nordean and Rhodes had previously been tied for the longest sentence handed down in the case.
More than 1,100 people have been arrested on charges related to the Capitol assault, and of those at least 630 have pleaded guilty and at least 110 have been convicted at trial.
Special Counsel Jack Smith, who was tapped to investigate broader efforts to overturn the 2020 election, has charged Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, for trying to keep himself in power.
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That should get Don's.attention and not in a good way.
Why ex? He is still very much involved in the ideology of it and hasn't changed. Just because he is in prison doesn't make him an ex proud boy does it?
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