Voting for a third party candidate only helps Trump. They might as well just vote for him directly. The outcome is the same and if America and the world are unlucky enough to experience a second Trump term, then these idiots would strongly regret their decision. Palestinians wouldn't be the only ones to suffer from this.
If you're so worried about Trump being elected, maybe you should push for Harris to adopt better policy so people are more comfortable voting for her, rather than shaming people for not wanting to vote for the lesser of two genocides.
A lot of people are both pushing Harris on this issue, and warning that Trump would be far worse.
A lot of us who are worried about Trump getting elected, ie. me who is disabled and bedridden, if I lose Social Security I die, also don’t have the capacity to push Harris much as those who would suffer the most under a Trump term, tend to be the most vulnerable people in society.
A lot of people are both pushing Harris on this issue
No, you're not, unless you're a billionaire. Kamala doesn't even have policy positions on her website. It's just a short bio and a donation portal.
Republicans however have made their plans clear. They plan to cut medicare, ACA, planned parenthood funding and lots of other affordable health care (in addition to all the other heinous Heritage Foundation shit)
Isn't that wild?
That we have a legit fascist candidate, and the fascist is the only one willing to say publicly what they actually support? All Democrats have offered voters so far are variations on two memes: Joy and weirdness.
Kamala doesn't even have policy positions on her website, which if you ask me, is basic functionality for any politician.
By pushing Harris I mean going out and protesting etc.
I can't control Harris's policy choices. I can only control my vote, and I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Harris because Trump is a monster.
You can absolutely pressure Harris, though. Join a protest.
People said the same thing four years ago: Vote Biden and then push him to the left.
What we got was another right-wing Democrat who, once they seized power, didn't care to listen to anyone.
I'm going to vote Green. I already know my vote is worthless, so I might as well vote for a party I actually support.
Now I definitely know you're a Russian troll. This is exactly the kind of political apathy the Russian regime wants to establish in America after having done so at home years ago.
Yes, anyone who disagrees with you politically must be a Russian troll. I can't imagine why genocide would push someone do do something as extreme as vote green.
RUSSIA!
Blocked.
One hundred percent this! While what’s happening in Gaza is beyond deplorable, voting third party only serves to shoot these folks in the foot. Not only would Trump promote actual pogroms to kill off the Gazan population en masse (even worse than the current level of violence), but they’ll find themselves the first up against the wall along with LGBTQ+ folks at home if Project 2025 is allowed to proceed.
You could call it shooting oneself in the foot or cutting off their nose to spite their face, but it’s more like voluntarily slitting their own throat and smiling about it because at least they made the floor messy for everyone in the process.
Trump isn't the one being two-faced and funding genocide right now. Biden is. (Or his handlers at least.)
You're right in that the position of both major parties is exactly the same on Israel, but you have to see how Biden's a hard sell at this point objectively.
The two parties are nowhere near the same on this topic, there is no genocide being funded and the whole handler nonsense makes you sound like a Russian troll.
Genocide is definitely being funded by the US. We gives billions in aid to Israel every yeah, no strings attached
You are wrong in every aspect here.
Both parties support and send military welfare to Israel annually, Dems have boosted it this year and last, in a time when Israel is committing genocide.
You literally watched Biden's brain melt on national TV in June, on top of dozens (and I'm being charitable there) of public incidents where his cognitive decline was undeniable and he appeared to have handlers keeping him form wandering off. The Daily Show made fun of them repeatedly.
Remember: "WE BEAT MEDICARE!"?
You're the friggin' troll here, trying to gaslight people.
yeah but trump is ready with pogroms for them while harris has none.
They're already happening under Biden. Did you miss a few weeks ago when homelessness was declared illegal? What about a few years ago when it became legal to criminalize abortions? How about when cop cities started becoming a thing under Biden? (And surely you recall when he mocked the Defund movement in his SOTU.)
This isn't a choice between fascist on non-fascist. It's a choice between two flavors of fascism.
When did biden declare homelessness illegal again. You do know the abortion rulings were by the judges appointed by trump right? And again not sure when biden founded some cop cities. This is exactly the crap of hey lets take the worse option and complain about the effects as if it came from the better.
I think people are more concerned about the guy trying to give himself absolute immunity and install loyalists across every part of the government. Only one candidate is telling voters they'll never have to vote again.
Most of the things you are descriving are rulings from the Supreme Court, what is supposed to be an apolitical entity is now effectively a wing of the Heritage Foundation. Biden has spoken out about their decisions, what else is he supposed to do to counter them? AOC started impeachemnent proceedings against some of the more corrupt members, but without a majority what else can they currently do?
This is not to say the democrats are perfect or even good, but compared to the actions of the republicans? They are not the same. This is not a typical election at all.
Voting for a 3rd party especially in swing states to guarantee a trump victory? Is that the goal here? Do they want more aid to Israel and get deported?
pretty sure they want democrats to wake up and change their policies and the only leverage they have is their vote.
The DNC still has time to win over these voters. Does the DNC want to win the election badly enough to stop a genocide?
They're citizens. They can't be deported
Oh you sweet summer child
So, MAGA Muslims then?
Why is someone's reluctance to vote for your preferred candidate more upsetting to you than said candidate's choice to platform genocide?
Trying to punish Harris for a certain policy ultimately helps Trump. Trump will have the same policy or worse plus all the other shit he wants to do.
And why's that on us? Why is it our job to toe a party line when said line means killing people en masse?
It's supposed to be their job to represent us, not our job to kiss their asses. Stop letting the DNC use Trump as an excuse to do whatever they want; if they want to be more electable, maybe it's on them to adopt a better platform.
It is on the DNC to have better policy, but with th democrats thete is actually a chance of better policy. At least there is the Sanders wing of the party pushing for a ceasefire. What I dont think people realize voting for a third party will not only keep the genocide going but also install the violent authoritarian Republican party for life, basically. Good luck getting a Trump government to reverse course on anything, let alone cracking down on whats happening in Gaza.
Republicans are typically even more hawkish and pro Israel, not to mention their mass deportation policies and history of islamaphobic policy (worse under Trump. The guy who wants to ban muslims from enterting the country and wants to deport millions, anyone he deems undesireable.)
Trust me, I'm well aware of literally everything you've just said. I get told it on almost every comment I make here, and every time people make the same two big mistakes:
Limiting their thinking to votes.
Refusing to push Democrats left, because they're scared it might hurt Harris' election chances.[^1]
I am pushing against #2 in this thread first and foremost, and getting #1 out of your response as a result. Please, understand that I know that Democrats are better than Trump. Everybody knows that, and if you think I want people to vote against Harris you are misunderstanding me entirely.
I do not want anyone to vote for Trump, vote third party, or abstain. What I want is for them to understand that voting is the minimum they can do, and that they can and should protest the current and future admin's policies regarding Israel until they stop enabling genocide, regardless of the color of the tie they wear.
If we let Democrats scare us with Trump or someone like him every year, nothing will change.
[^1]: Worse yet, some folks actively put down people who do try to push the Dems left for this very reason, which is outright counterproductive.
OK I just won't vote at all then 🤷
Aaron Bushnell isn't voting this year and I dare them to accuse him of helping Trump.
Yes exactly this!
Why, I don’t know. The results will definitely be everyone’s problem, though.
Right, because this supposed pushing of Biden worked so terribly well.
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