If you cant uninstall the software, it isnt your computer. If you tell it to do something and it says no, it is not your computer.
I dont understand why people tolerate anything else. Its maddening.
Because they make it easy and do a few cool things.
"Do you want a mic in your home that can record everything you say and do and send that data off to wherever the company chooses?"
"No of course not."
"What about of it will also turn your lights on and off and play despacito on demand?"
"You son of a bitch, sign me up".
Microsoft also wants to use 50 gigabytes of your hard drive space (for the Recall snapshots) and make you buy AI co-processors or their software won't work. They want to use your property to create their own Skynet.
I agree but technology hasn't really been "ours" for a long time. Rooting, jailbreaking, and open source is the only way to take back a modicum of control.
At this point, I think they are actively trying to drive us away.
The Elon Musk Maneuver.
It's like the Picard Maneuver, but where you just warp straight in front of your enemy while simultaneously shitting yourself.
They will certainly succeed at driving some people away. I was a lifetime Windows user and I currently don't have it installed on any of my machines now. I think the average Joe is blissfully unaware other than the occasional dialog about a new feature coming their way.
I think they are going to lose more of the hardcore tech community with decisions like these, but I don't know that they care.
I did it! I did it over the long weekend. Been using Windows since 3.1 (albeit only switched fully from MSDOS when Windows 2000 came out).
I did a test run on my laptop during time away from home/desktop over the summer, using Linux Mint, to see if I can do work and school on an unfamiliar system exclusively. On Mint I never had to open the terminal and everything worked right out of the box. Cinnamon is very similar to Win10 too. Heck, I can't even remember the installation procedure, it was so hands off and easy.
After two failed attempts of Arch on the same laptop, I've managed to install it with help of archinstaller on my main desktop. No idea what I'm doing, but I got it up and running to a state where I can do both work and school.
FUCK Windows and the constant nag it does everywhere. Good riddance.
Lol I misread this as you'd been relying on windows 3.1 and never upgraded but that 11 including recall made you switch to Linux. I need to be more thorough in my reading .
This is where we say switch to Linux, right?
Yeah but I think most of us have already.... We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.
The problem is like that xkcd comic about experts underestimating the common person's knowledge in their field. Linux is still not user friendly enough for the vast majority of people. Linux users just don't seem to understand that most people are in the "wtf is a distro?" level of knowledge and would absolutely panic at the mere sight of a terminal.
False. The hard drive where Windows lives will soon find itself exiting my window
Ah the ol’ defenestration uninstallation.
Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!
Off is the direction in which I would like Microsoft to fuck if they think I'm gonna have a deep learning AI spy on my computer activity.
This just makes me want to switch to Linux.
Stop threatening. Commit. Take the leap. A lot of us here are already on the other side and we'll help you find your footing.
And it is not scary. A simple distro like Mint, figure out where the software repositories live, how to use thr off8xe suite, and you're done. Life is "great*.
Do it. I made the switch a few months ago and its so much better
Anecdotally it hasn't been that hard. I've had the best luck with Linux Mint just working straight out of the box. I basically only use my computer to game so your mileage may vary if you need specialized software or something.
Also the benefit of mint is that Ubuntu has a huge user base comparatively so you can find a lot of info online for people who have probably already figured out issues that you might encounter.
Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn't a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.
Malware developers don't even need to have their malware running anymore to grab keylogs and screenshots.
Just enable Recall, schedule your malware for a month from now and it doesn't even have to run anymore.
I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can't just turn it on.
I and many others can't just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.
Windows Recall + Kernel level anti-cheat. How could it possibly go wrong, amirite?
I'm in the process of switching to Linux on my main rig; still got a lot of shit to figure out but it'll be worth it in the end.
And no, I'm not being a Linux fanboy, I'm just tired of being Microsoft's bitch.
Well, not without also uninstalling Windows...
[ Insert "I see this as an absolute win!" meme here ]
Except I'm a gamedev, and I'll have to keep around at least one Windows PC. Might be a Win10 one with extended support updates.
Install Linux, it's easier, leaner, faster than windows shit, it's also free, does actual security, and won't ever spy on you.
Send in the down votes
Does Lemmy not like Linux all of a sudden...?
There are more users now, some are tired of the Linux recommendations in every thread.
They are wrong of course and should just switch. :)
I wonder if the advent of Windows 11’s “best” features will become known as “The Great Defenestration”
Didn't they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can't be uninstalled or disabled...
Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!
I always wonder where the line is for the majority of people, maybe there isn't one and they know it. You've got to hand it to Microsoft nearly 30 years and they still have the majority.
This is the thing Lemmy nerds don't understand:
For most people, using a PC is a chore.
To most people, using a PC is like mopping a floor, or cleaning a car. It's a boring - even unpleasant - task that you need to do every once in a while. They'd rather be on their phone or their iPad.
When you already view using your PC as a chore, and some Linux user says to you "hey, if you spend a day backing up all your files, creating an install USB, installing Linux, reinstalling your programs (and finding alternatives for those that aren't available), logging back in to everything, moving your data back across, and relearning how to use a PC, it'll be worth it in the long run!", you will just ignore their advice. It's easier just to say "nah, I only occasionally need my PC when I want to update my CV or write a long email anyway. Thanks for the suggestion though!"
They put up with an hour or two of MS's bullshit every few months. They don't like it, but they also don't care enough about putting effort in so that in future, the chore of using a PC only feels half as bad. At the end of the day, either way, it's still a chore, and they'd still rather be on their phone/tablet/doing something else entirely.
In the same way, they also don't care enough about ultimately saving 10 mins every month when they clean their car to go out of their way and do the initial work of claybar-ing, polishing, then waxing it.
I use Linux. I like Linux. But I'm just another Lemmy nerd, not an average PC user.
If you buy a PC it has Windows on it. The majority of people are not cocking about formatting a USB stick and fiddling with the BIOS to put Linux on it. They aren't thinking about operating systems at all, and if you need specific software for work, chances are it isn't going to run on anything other than Windows. If you don't need it for work, you've probably just got a tablet by now and store all your photos on Facebook.
I actually want this feature, but I want to own the data. There are some OSS projects writing basically identical things but they aren't too popular (https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem seems to be the most popular I could find, but I wasn't able to get the cross-platform version running on my machine).
I also wrote the dumbest possible clone of this feature in bash, the basic data gathering steps are actually pretty easy to do. I'd build this into a real program but I've just been too busy lately with other projects: https://jackson.dev/post/cloning-windows-recall-in-30-lines-of-bash/
O&O shutp10++
DoNotSpy11
XD Anti-Spy
all of these tools can be used to completely disable recall.
And yet - should you have to actively work against the design goals of OS installed on your hardware? It's great that some folks have found a way to successfully disable it, but that doesn't give MS a pass.
It also can be not installed to begin with. Fuck MS and all their bullshit. Next year, 5% of pc gamers will be on Linux and it will keep growing from there.
I'm glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.
And those really aren't that big of a deal since I haven't had a failure to play a game so far.
It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn't even choose a simple distro and haven't even had too difficult of a time.
We can't uninstall our own keylogger, sorry!
Fedora KDE or Linux Mint is the way
Im so glad I switched fully to Linux. I used to dual-boot, but my Windows partition broke so I stick with Linux. Only regret is why I didnt do it years ago.
They see a pile of cash and can't resist. The only way it'll truly stop is if users boycott everytime they try to bring it back, which will be neverending.
Does your PC have an Intel or AMD CPU? Congrats, you don't have to worry about Recall. At least for now, it only works on Copilot+ PCs with ARM processors.
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