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The comments here are weird TBH. No, Brazil will not start shooting down satellites. It can just simply outlaw and sanction Starlink, stop anyone from paying Starlink for their internet subscription, and have peeps go around and confiscate ground stations.
Also, they can just go and ask the US to help enforce their ruling, telling them "do you want to be friends with us or Musky boi?"
That's a really good point. Starlink can ignore this order, but the courts can order banks to stop processing payments to them. Pretty sure Starlink isn't going to "protest" this at the cost of profits.
Of rourse Starlink could then go be further shady by taking payments in Bitcoin to get around it. It's an interesting arms race to follow.
Brazil is well within its rights to sanction Starlink and prosecute people for evading said sanctions, and have people pay fines and go to prison for buying Starlink with Bitcoin.
Just like the US does with Iran and Cuba.
Unfortunately, the US is now fully reliant on SpaceX for access to space now that they decided to rely on corporate spacecraft rather than building our own and Boeing has proven themselves unreliable since that change was made, and now that they finally have a craft they ended up stranding astronauts on the space station until SpaceX can rescue them due to defects. Plus we can't use Russia like we did after the shuttle program ended but corporate space travel wasn't there yet. And SpaceX isn't publicly traded to where it might be possible that enough investors could pressure Musk to cave.
So I doubt anything will come of it. Brazil will rattle their sabers. Musk will stand his ground, and the US will stay on Musk's side while pretending as much as possible to be staying out of it.
Haha, that sort of dependency can be just as dangerous for a company as it is for the state. You start fucking around like that and antitrust and defense production act start knocking.
Is there precedent for the US government just flat out nationalizing a company like SpaceX?
Don't have to. Defense production act allows them to legally direct the company without owning it.
No 737 has ever leaked helium. So why did the Star liner leak helium? Why couldn't it just pop an emergency exit hatch mid flight like standard procedure? Why? Why? So many questions!
Easier than than just freeze musks money in brazil
Lol, then I guess they can provide that access for free, indefinitely, all for just making sure they keep 200K (max) people in Brazil on Xitter.
Why does the weird one think that he should have more power than a government?
Why does the weird one think that he should have more power than a government?
Because he quite literally does in a lot of cases. When is he ever punished?
His life experiences? Having that much money and power really fucks with someone's perceptions of the world.
Money and racism
He really thinks he is above the law.
Why can't musk get stranded in space like these astronauts at ISS. We would all be better off.
I mean to be fair, Starlink is a satellite network.
Edit: this is a shitty Dad joke for those that are taking my comment seriously.
Most of you don't deserve your humor license if you have one
Yeah, and they can do in space whatever they want (probably). But if they want to operate on earth providing a service within a country, they have to abide by the law of this country or stay out of it.
It's like American Internet companies have to follow EU law if they want to operate in the EU, even if the company itself or their servers are in the US. GDPR privacy laws is a good example.
To be more fair, Brazil is a sovereign country, Starlink is not.
No I mean it's literally a satellite network. It's in orbit.
It's above the law. Literally.
Edit: a lot of people whooshing this. How? It's so fucking simple.
Orbit = Space. Brazil = Earth.
Space altitude > Brazil Altitude.
Orbit is literally above guys. Like come the fuck on. It's a funny joke.
He's good for absolutely nothing in this world. The only true altruistic path for him would be euthanasia and donating his water to the tribe.
He's arguing that it's illegal because they are separate entities.
Supreme Court ordered all telecom providers in the country to shut down X
If Starlink refuses to comply or hinders others to comply, they are in contempt to the Supreme Court orders.
As long as this order is within the law, it shouldn't matter if Starlink and X are connected or not.
And even if they are in orbit "above" the law, the ruling is only about their operating in brazil not about the satellite itself. And their operations within the country of Brazil do have to comply with Brazilian law and courts.
I wonder what would happen if a Brazilian company failed to comply with a US court order.
They may get forbidden from operating in the US? Like, the same thing, in reverse?
They'd be getting ready for some FREEDOM!!!!
As of 2024-09-03T22:10:25.545Z, Starlink is now complying with Brazil's X ban [1].
References
“We immediately initiated legal proceedings in the Brazilian Supreme Court explaining the gross illegality of this order and asking the Court to unfreeze our assets,” Starlink says in a post on X. “Regardless of the illegal treatment of Starlink in freezing of our assets, we are complying with the order to block access to X in Brazil.”
When Republicans decide to have 4th of July at this judge's house then I'll believe he's a dictator.
And starlink also gets banned from the country
Tesla next?
the problem is starlink is actually a good thing, providing decent internet access to places that can't get it otherwise. I think the thing to target is the clear collusion going on between companies in ostensibly unrelated industries to pressure a government into reversing a penalty on one of them.
Starlink is a ridiculous centralized solution to what should be solved by upgrading fiber networks.
It's a bandaid with limited usefulness after maybe a decade. Basically an exercise in generating space junk.
In a lot of cases I would agree with you, but laying fiber optic cable through the Amazon in order to connect remote settlements is not feasible, starlink really does have a good use case there.
I think the thing to target is the clear collusion going on between companies in ostensibly unrelated industries to pressure a government into reversing a penalty on one of them.
Specifically because they are controlled by the same asshat. This is the same exact type of shit he does with stock manipulation and why he was eventually forced to buy Twitter. All his wealth has been generated by cheating and exploitation. I hope Brazil drops the hammer.