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Highway spending increased by 90% in 2021. This is one of many reasons why car traffic is growing faster than population growth.

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[-] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

50 people pureed and pressed into high-protien calorie-dense tiles:

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It's always relevant!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Hilarious 🤣!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

see how efficient cars are (relative to human sized hampster balls)

[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Imagine seeing 69 random strangers walking down the street, densely packed in like that, for no reason. Just comin at you.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Finland: Oh look, tourists.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Are you saying that you DON'T walk that close to other pedestrians?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Isn't it how it works in New-York ?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

"Quick, say hello in Latin!"

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

TBF US highways are undermaintained and a collapse could endanger lives.

I'd rather have a railway expansion but we still gotta maintain whats been built.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tha'st WRONG! That's not how autonomous cars work!! They are AUTONOMOUS that mean you can get rid of (at least!) half the people and still have as many cars!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They are AUTONOMOUS that mean you can get rid of (at least!) half the people and still have as many cars!

Cruise’s robotaxis created a traffic jam in Austin, here’s what went wrong

According to the team at Cruise, the fleet ended up in a high-demand area, which also brought with it a slew of pedestrian and passenger vehicle traffic. As you can see in the video, one of the Cruise vehicles got stuck in an intersection while committing to a turn, thus further congesting traffic in three different directions.

Unfortunately, more and more Cruise robotaxis flooded the narrow Austin street to meet the peak demand, only to join in the traffic jam. But why were there so many robotaxis in this one specific area? Cruise states that at the time, there were limited routes going north and south through the city, and a detour from an alternative route led the EVs to the same doomed parkway.

Unfortunately, Cruise could not manually reroute the vehicles quickly enough, so there was nowhere for them to go.

Unfortunately, what you end up with automation is often more of a thing than what you actually need, as surplus saturates the market even when it isn't desired. Rather than a single dedicated lane operating at maximum available capacity on a predictable schedule, you get a flood of functionally independent actors all congregating within a small area in an effort to maximize individual revenue.

Autonomous means you get more cars than there are people all contributing to the traffic that the people are looking to escape.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

A lot of those "highway programs" include things like removing barriers to aquatic organism passage, reducing congestion and emissions from the movement of cargo, and other things that don't suck. It's still weighed too heavily in favor of cars and highways for sure, but there's more getting funded by the IIJA & IRA than just, like, freeways.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Are you not into ~~trains~~ trams?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Does that make him tramsphobic?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

We can't be all trampholic (wait, why not?)

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why are the cars spaced but the walking humans not?

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Uh, they're not? The cars are in fact much closer to one another than they could possibly be while moving at speed. They would only get this close to one another during a traffic jam. On the other hand, the walkers are entirely capable of moving in exactly the way they are pictured.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You haven't seen me walk buddy...

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you've ever tried to drive a car you'll discover that you need to keep a relatively large distance between other cars, particularly when moving at high speeds in order to avoid crashes.

By contrast, when you're moving through a crowd, you can get practically on top of someone else without risk of bodily harm.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not me. I wear a Colin Furze style carrot slicer belt at all times. Watch a motherfucker try to ope right by me. Bitch gonna get cut.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The cars and walkers are both as close as they can safely be while moving?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Not sure where you drive, but those cars aren't spaced at all- they're very close to bumper-to-bumper, which you can only do at extremely low speeds that unrealistic for travel. Meanwhile, the people that are bundled together ARE actually capable of moving like that, though the average american (who has a larger 'personal bubble' that other cultures) would probably not like it.

Moreover, the car example could actually be worse than it appears- because they're taking up all lanes of a road, so you're assuming they're coming AND going, which none of the other examples are assuming. If you did it properly, the line of cars would be two wide and twice as deep!

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Explain to me how you solve the mass transportation issue in non metro areas. I live in Montana, where cities are an hour or three apart by vehicle, but even in said cities, outside of the main commercial areas, people are spread out. Like, really spread out. There is a single bus stop eight blocks from my house, with exactly four scheduled pickup/dropoff times. My kids go to school with other kids who live twenty miles away. Commercial rail doesn't exist, except for a single cross-country Amtrak line with a station four hours away from here.

Images like this are illustrative, but they completely ignore the physical reality of how vast swathes of the US are laid out. You can't just flip a switch and have bus stops on every corner and rail lines connecting your major cities and residential areas. That's a massive undertaking that would cost way more in up front infrastructure than maintaining and augmenting existing highway program already does.

How do you change the culture away from cars where there is literally no realistic way to do it for 99% of people in areas like this? And how do you push for infrastructure change when there is no anti-car culture? It's a chicken and egg problem where you have no chickens and you have no eggs.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. No one is expecting someone in Montana, hours away from others to give up their car. Although incorporating more of the externalized costs might incent some people to make other decisions.
  2. There’s always something we can do better.

Even the most remote area has some sort of gathering points that can be concentrated into a walkable area. Basically - when you drive your car to church, you should have the option of walking to a brunch place and a grocery store, picking up your niece arriving on Greyhound, and yelling at your local councilman, before driving back. You should have the option to do more with fewer trips

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Hey fellow Montanan! Check out Big Sky Rail Authority's arguments for implementing a southern passanger rail service, or think of the benefits of increased bus service connecting the larger Montana cities. We have main travel corridors across the state that could be greatly improved by a public transportation network, linking rural communities and connecting them to larger city centers. Combine that with local bus service, walkable communities, and biking infrastructure in places where it can be supported like Missoula, Bozeman, Billings, etc can improve traffic and livability of the towns. Also, think of the improvement to traffic conditions for people coming into town from surrounding rural communities if you can divert a good portion of traffic to public options. In a rural state like ours, there's always going to be some need for personal vehicles, but there's still lots of places where having more public transportation options could improve our communities and lessen our climate impacts. Sure, it's going to look different than in other parts of the country, but still a lot of room for improvement around here.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Oddly enough, rail served more rural communities earlier on in the 20th century than they do now. This is due to disinvestment and the prioritization of personal vehicles. So not only is transit realistic, but it was the way for many railroad towns to be connected to each other and the rest of the country. Obviously that’s historical evidence, life is more complex now, but things can still be made to work with transit. Increasing bus frequency and coverage sounds like it would help your community.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The issue is solved at scale in cities. There is no need to change rural centers at the moment until the pressure is relieved where it will have the most effect. Maybe even freeing tax dollars for the state to help with rural areas instead of millions of intercity roads being damaged daily by large vehicles. Every dime you save in the city can be subsidized for rural areas if it is no longer needed. Or can be used to further assist struggling populations in the city. Everything that benefits people will find its way to also benefitting you in some way.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

While I'm a strong proponent of reducing and possibly eliminating car use, this image is disingenuous. They neatly packed 69 (nice) people into a medium bus, sure. But when showing cars, it's almost 1 persons per car (I counted 15 cars in a row and there are 4 rows, so 60 cars). You can definitely use cars more efficiently than that.

Assuming that actually autonomous self-driving cars exist, they could be extremely efficient. Especially if you treat them like ride sharing taxis. In other words, a lot of people could share the same car and that would reduce the amount of owned cars. They also never waste space being parked. So I can see how when we make a real self-driving car, it can potentially reduce traffic. Especially for all those cases where public transportation doesn't work.

And what the heck is a "connected car"?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Two facts:

  1. The average occupancy of a car in my North American city is 1.2 people per car. This does not vary much by city.
  2. Autonomous vehicles will almost certainly be worse for traffic than human driven cars. They will circle empty with no passengers and drive to pick up passengers empty (dead heading) even with a fully rideshare system. If there is widespread private ownership of autonomous vehicles (and you bet your butt that car companies will campaign for this aggressively to keep sales up), the dead heading problems only multiply. If you don't believe me, look up any recent literature on the topic: by most accounts it will be worse, not better. Dead heading is only the tip of the iceberg of problems there.
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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

You can use cars more efficiently but by and large they aren't.

Also, you think people are gonna share a car? Fat chance. People would need to work out shared upkeep, time slots to have it, etc.

We simply need to stop subsidizing cars which is the whole point here.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Thinking of riding a bicycle so close to others at any speed scares me a bit.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Doing 50 that close to other cars would also be very uncomfortable.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Stay away from the Netherlands you'd have a heart attack

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