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They don’t have a brain really and kinda just float there. Do they even feel pain?

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (28 children)

After having kept jellyfish as pets (Atlantic bay nettles), I wouldn't really consider them to be vegetarian nor vegan. While similar to plants, seemed to have a greater sense of environmental awareness than my plants. Mine could sense light, have "off days", and interact with their environment. It's probably true that there's not much going on there due to the small amount of nerves that control everything, but even when mine would accidentally get caught on tank cleaning tools or get bumped around they'd react in a protective way and to me it's just similar enough to animalistic behavior that I'd not feel comfortable consuming them if I were vegan.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Don’t most plants sense light and interact with their environment?

Tardigrades have been observed reacting defensively to danger, even offensively. I know they’re not plants, but do they feel pain? What about brine shrimp?

Jellyfish are super weird because they really blur the lines between plant/animal. It’s a really interesting question to ask honestly.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At this time it is impossible to know if they feel pain. They're a living creature.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Plants are also living creatures, but don't tell the Vegans.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you want to minimize plant death, going vegan is still the right move.

Most of the crops we grow go to feeding animals that people eat.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

This is definitely the best take on veganism.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They told me Lemmy would be more leftist, why am I still seeing 0 IQ vegan jokes

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We may be able to tell if they are stressed, which could be related to pain, depending on your viewpoint.

Here is a recent study of audible reactions plant can have to stress: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)00262-3

Do plants react to stress and harmful situations like infestation? Absolutely. Do they actually feel pain as we understand it? Probably not since they lack a nervous system.

This boils down to the question: What is pain?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (10 children)

No Brain? For Jellyfish, No Problem

“I think sometimes people use its lack of a brain to treat a jellyfish in ways we wouldn’t treat another animal,” Helm says. “There are robots in South Korea that drag around the bay and suck in jellyfish and shred them alive. I’m a biologist and sometimes sacrifice animals, but I try to be humane about it. We don’t know what they are feeling, but they certainly have aversion to things that cause them harm; try to snip a tentacle and they will swim away very vigorously. Sure, they don’t have brains, but I don’t think that is an excuse to put them through a blender.”

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Jellyfish eat animals and animal byproducts, so no, they are not vegan.

Jokes aside, often vegans follow dietary restrictions for reasons other than an ethical or moral belief against causing pain. Many vegans don't even eat honey, so I imagine jellyfish is pretty safely in non-vegan territory.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Are carnivores plants vegan? Genuinely curious, never looked into it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many fertilizers are made from animal products. Are veggies grown with those fertilizers vegan?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

They are animals, so no.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It depends on the definition of Veganism.

There’s is a popular school of thought that the diet‘s sole purpose to reduce suffering. If a living thing has no central nervous system (or brain), it has no thoughts and cannot experience pain or harm. It’s not much different than a fruit or vegetable. I know vegans that make exceptions for oysters - for example.

Others schools of thought are about avoiding animal products altogether, it doesn’t matter if it suffers or not - there’s no way to know. Therefore, it’s immoral to eat them if you can knowingly choose an alternative.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Veganism is not only a diet. It's an ethical stance and lifestyle.

Edit: clarifications

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe that it is not, since scientifically it is an animal. However, some vegetarians (not vegans) will eat fish or certain animal products.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I thought that people who would eat fish but not other animals were pescatarians.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They're animals, so no.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Nope. Animal product. Would be ok for pescatarians, however.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've known people who chose not to eat mammals, birds, fish, decapods (lobsters, crabs, prawns), or cephalopod mollusks (e.g. octopus, squid); but who were okay with eating bivalve mollusks (clams, mussels, oysters) on the grounds that they did not have enough brain to experience pain.

I think those folks would be okay with eating jellyfish.

Rather than asking, "Is X vegan?" it might be more useful to ask, "What is person P trying to accomplish by 'being vegan'? Is eating X in conflict with that?"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of Jelly fish are immortal? Just leave a few cells and wait for it to come back to life. Death-free food for the win

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I mean, milk could also easily be death-free, but it's not vegan. It's also not suffering-free. So this suggestion kind of misses the point.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

They have no brain but aren't they like almost entirely nervous system? That's all you need to feel pain; the brain just makes it more complicated than "ouch, move away from that."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

would u even get anything out of eating it tho?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think animals care about weird human ideologies like veganism

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah, the old Lemmy switch-a-roo

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

By a strict definition, no. But most vegans don't really care about scientific classification. Personally I don't think they're sentient and think it's fine.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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