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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Man if only it was actually like how cars are regulated.

Required training, tests, insurance needs and has to be safe for others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

If only cars were actually regulated like we pretend they are...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

God I wish we could apply that to every right, y'know? Like, wouldn't it be great if we could test people before they could vote, so that we knew that they understood the functions of the different branches of gov't, the limitations, the history of legislation, the origins of common law and where our style of government comes from... It would be so wonderful if rights weren't really rights at all, but were privileges only given to the most well educated and intelligent people.

Maybe even some literacy tests.

Oh, or if you needed a license and credentials in order to speak in public! That would be awesome! Or if you needed to be an attorney to assert your right to remain silent!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Wouldn't be great if the police could just search anyone for any reason (or no reason) at any time unless they have obtained a privacy permit? Think of how many criminals they could catch, including people who shouldn't have guns, if they could just set up road blocks and strip search everyone who comes through (except those with permits, obviously). For good measure they should make us all take off our shoes too.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The 2nd amendment doesn't give the right to all Americans to have guns, it simply provisions a well regulated militia. Right now we don't have sufficient regulation to keep gun violence at a reasonable rate, so we clearly don't have a well regulated militia as detailed in the constitution

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Categorically false. When you look at the circumstances surrounding the drafting of 2A, it's clear what the framers intended. (EVERY able-bodied, white, adult male was a member of the militia. They were obligated to provide their own militarily-suitable arms, and were likewise obligated to train themselves in their use. Moreover, the existence of the right was a holdover from English common law, which recognized the right of people to be armed. Oh, and the first battle of the American Revolution? It was because the British were trying to seize arms, including a cannon, that the people had been using to protect themselves from First Nations peoples.) When you look at the debate that surrounded the National Firearms Act of 1934, it's clear that they knew a ban wouldn't pass court review; hence the reason that the opted for a tax. (And, BTW, they originally intended to include pistols; that fact that 'short barrel rifles' are part of the NFA today is because they were sloppy in making the edits prior to passage.) When you look at nearly 250 years of precedent, it's clear that it's an individual right. And when you look at SCOTUS rulings--Heller v. D.C., McDonald v. Chicago, Bruen v. NYSPRA--it's definite.

BTW, "well regulated" at the time was understood to mean trained, specifically people that knew how to use the arms they had the right to possess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And you can't take an F1 car out anywhere.except a track.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I mean you can but it would need a lot of modifications first.

Not that you can get most of them going on your own anyway

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

For a pro-gun sublemmy, there are a lot of anti gun comments.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's essentially how gun control works though.

Maybe the biggest workout your AR-15 gets is the monthly 2-gun PCSL match. But your state has decided that a mass murder in a different state is a good enough reason to ban semi-automatic rifles with box magazines, and now you're a felon for simply possessing something that was legal when you bought it.

And there's not really an end point, because all the bans in the world don't change human nature. Germany is cracking down on people carrying pocket knives because stabbings are up sharply. In England you can't carry a screwdriver without good cause. Banning tools doesn't change the material circumstances that lead to violence. (Not that either Republicans or Democrats want to do that; Dems want to ban guns, Republicans want to ban anyone that isn't a straight white christian from owning them.)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or, you could weld a ten round magazine into place and go about your business as not a criminal. There's always the choice to be responsible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How, exactly, are you going to load a Glock that has a magazine welded into place?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you are a responsible gun owner who would only ever need a gun for self defense, then you will never need to reload.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Single use guns! No need to ever practice, we all have perfect accuracy!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Don't give Hi Point and Taurus ideas!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very painfully. Laws usually allow pistols to operate with removable magazines still. If they want to brick your weapon they should buy it off you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can't actually load a semi-auto pistol with a magazine in place, or, you can't without removing the slide and barrel. Most pistol magazines are double stack, single feed, so the bullet needs to start in front of the magazine. (I think that Steyr makes a double stack/double feed pistol magazine?) But with a magazine stuck in place, the barrel is going to be in front of the bullet, leaving you no room to load the magazine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

you can't without removing the slide and barrel.

I.e. very painfully

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm up for banning all cars slowly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

All of them? Including farming trucks?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

To drive that car, she had to take a class, get experience under an instructor/valid driver, take a paper test, take a practical test.

This is not the gotcha you think it is. As a gun owner, I'm for responsible gun control, and this meme is anti-gc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Id be open to the required safety courses and safe storage. Anything other than shall issue would be a step too far though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

also there are different licenses for different classes of vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And driving licenses are far too easy to get as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just because jt was easy for you doesn't mean it was easy for everybody else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It shouldn't! Operating two ton vehicles at hundreds of kilometres per hour should not be for everyone!

There is a reason why traffic is a top killer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hundreds of kilometers per hour? Where are you driving with speed limits that high?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Die Autobahn.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

NRA shills in this thread shoukd be ashamed of themselves. But we know they're not. They don't care about other people. Just money. If Hell is real, they deserve it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Who mentioned the NRA?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The 2nd amendment literally doesn’t provide them the right to a weapon.

If it did, particularly for the reason they say, literally killing a politician would be legal if you could prove “their tyranny”. That’s the biggest load of bullshit.

It’s a simple provision that provides the States with the right to arm their own militias.

So many chode Americans believe “theyre the miltia!!!”. The government also defines that, though, and it’s … not everyone. Its only males 18-45, and women in the Guard. That’s it. So the only people the 2nd amendment could even begin to logically and legally allow a weapon are healthy, able bodied males 18-45 and trained women. And they don’t really need to prove theyre able bodied, so every fat guy with a gun is breaking constitutional law

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is this the most fuckcars poster ever? NGL I lowkey love the implication that the only purpose for cars is to kill people 🥰