To all of these enlightened centrists in the comments: Just make sure to get down off the fence before the barbed wire goes up.
this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2024
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What a crazy analogy... What it sounds like you're saying is join the left or right before things get violent (the barbwire). We need to stop all this grouping and separating people. We're all American! That is the identity we need as a group, not left, right, centrist etc etc.
Says the account with endless far-right commentary while claiming to be "centrist".
I dont mean to promote any right, much less "far-right" anything. I have opinions, though. I have opinions that agree with things left of center as well as right. I hate that while arguing my opinions, I get grouped as "left" or "right", but that's what naturally happens. So many opinions about anything these days are considered "political" opinions.
On lemmy and most other social media, it's 90% left. (If you don't realize this, you aren't even ready for an objective argument). Im also on Truth social, that's 95% right folks. On there, I also argue things I disagree with. Anyway, it's mostly ignorant, left sided folks here. I can't change anyone's mind about anything, all I can do is plant seeds and hope that people look beyond the box they have put themselves in.
Okay, I'll bite, you wanna share some of those left of center opinions? Because as some other commenter pointed out, you comment history makes you look like far right.
No, I don't. I don't need to qualify myself to you or anyone here. I don't want to be on your side. I don't want to be on either "side." You want to make a division and put me into a group. It might be better to look upon our similarities rather than differences.
We're getting into dangerous ground around here... I heard a narrative the other day that "'centrist' are actually just conservatives."
Oh, so basically, it's "if you aren't for us, you're against us"?
This is how civil wars start...
Sorry but your comment history really just proves the point of conservatives and fascists masquerading (badly) as centrists. You're doing that exact thing. All you've shared on this site paints you as being far right, but the moment someone points that out you feel unfairly treated. That's bust the fascist playbook of using civility as a shield.
And no, not all centrists are right wingers in disguise, you sure seem like one though.
Your comment is more level-headed than most here, but you also are wrong/misled and making assumptions.
All you've shared on this site paints you as being far right
No... it doesn't. Just because some things I've said are "right" of your political opinions doesn't mean I'm "right", much less far-right. I'm sick of grouping others and being grouped myself. But on the political spectrum, I am in the middle, usually.
Quote me something from my comment history that "paints me as being far right," and I will tell you why you're wrong.
I didn't want to say this, but I have never in my life voted democrat OR republican, for anything. I shouldn't have to admit to that to try to make all of you understand... the term "radical left" seems to be more and more appropriate to me lately.
lol at this point im absolutely convinced you're just a troll
Denies man-made climate change Happy about Floride attacking LGBTQ rights "the liberal media is left" conspiracism
"How can you say I'm on the right? 🤡🤡🤡"
Yeah I'm done with this conversation.
Ah, that's good. At least you tried.
No? Didn't think so...
On lemmy and most other social media, it’s 90% left. (If you don’t realize this, you aren’t even ready for an objective argument). Im also on Truth social, that’s 95% right folks.
No dude, you're just so absolutely brain poisoned by concentrated fascist propaganda that you see center-right opinions as left. No actual centrist would think Truth Social is a reasonable example of normal right-wing dialogue, that's a cesspit of far-right extremism. What you think of as left is just normal right.
The irony...
Also, don't be so agro, bro. You're making assumptions based on stereotypes and generalizations. 1. You don't know me. 2. You apparently don't understand what is left or right. I can make assumptions, too, and mine would be that what you know has been spoon-fed to you by mainstream media.
mine would be that what you know has been spoon-fed to you by mainstream media.
Not even remotely close to the case and only shows how mired in far-right extremism you are. A fish doesn't know what water is, and you don't know what far-right extremism is.
The fact that you think "the mainstream media" is what is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Truth Social is proof that you are deep in the fascist propaganda.
Lol, all you are doing is generalizing and making assumptions. I'm not going to correct you, though. It's funny. I can feel the hate radiating from you, it has blinded you.
You aren't the first conservative to wander away from your keepers to troll the normal people. The normal people aren't fooled by conservative nonsense, though. So, why don't you run along back to Trump Central or NAMBLA or wherever fascist weirdos like to congregate these days and tell them all how you totally tricked all the normies on Lemmy. Good job, lil buddy! You win!
Lol oh lordy...
normies on Lemmy
You believe you are the "normal people" here? You need to get off the internet, you poor thing. Take a step outside, talk to another flesh and blood human being. I mean, have an actual conversation.
There are only a handful of "normal people" on reddit, and fewer here. For one thing, the cognitive dissonance is stronger here than on reddit.
Seriously though, you're making assumptions on generalizations like the last guy... quit talkin' out yer azz.
This was me before covid, then I got radicalized to the left.
Geez... this is scary. Hearing people admit to being "radicalized" by a political ideology, proudly... y'all gonna start civil war or what?
Look, centrism is a real thing. There are people who really do like to analyze each and every problem from a more or less unbiased viewpoint and form strong opinions without the influence of ideology, while being ready for a compromise. Anyone who was serious about being a centrist I ever talked to defined their ideology this way.
With that being said there also are right-wingers who like to masquerade as centrist or sometimes moderate left just so they can use their supposed position to more effectively plant their ideas and try and normalize them.
But the thing I'm sick and tired of is when people try and pretend that this is true for every centrist, while ignoring the real problem that there are radical elements that try to masquerade as moderate ones and in doing so are polarizing and actively destroying our society.
This view only works in a world where the right and left have a common view of reality and a common agreement on what the outcome should be, they just disagree on how to get there.
Which is why being centre-left or centre-right makes logical sense, since the positions and policies within those halves are consistent with their perception of reality and desired outcomes. And being unbiased about which position to pick within those ideologies is perfectly reasonable.
But being a centrist between the left and right doesn't make sense, as the view of reality and goals is entirely distinct. There's no middle ground between "cutting social services for the poor because you believe poor people deserve to be poor, and that hierarchical societies are inherently right", and that "we should increase social spending to help those that are less fortunate because an equal society is inherently just".
But centrism isn't about finding the geometric mean of the two sides it's about analyzing each problem separately, making compromises and initiating slow change.