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[–] [email protected] 147 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Someone clearly doesn't understand how much it used to cost to travel by plane 50 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also this image is bullshit

Tray tables are about half that size now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not on longer flights. It doesn't benefit airlines much to make smaller tray tables

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Save on weight means save on gas. Multiply that by thousands of flights and it adds up. United printed their in flight magazines on lighter paper and saved hundreds of thousands of dollars, just by using thinner paper.

They only eliminated 5kg per 737, but that added up to $290k savings.

If anything I think it’d be even more effective on longer flights as those jets spend more time in cruise vs short haul airliners.

By using lighter paper to print their in-flight magazine, Hemisphere, United Airlines saves up to 170,000 gallons of fuel, which cuts about $290,000 in annual fuel costs.

One magazine is now one 29 g lighter and weights 195 g which will make a usual 737 plane that carries 179 passengers 5 kg lighter on average.

https://www.kiwi.com/stories/united-prints-lighter-magazine-saves-170000-gallons-fuel/

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Good example, aviation is probably the most penny-fucking business in the planet, it’s a life and death fight between the companies, trying to keep costs low.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

United makes 50B in revenue a year. I'm guessing that stunt gave them more value in marketing than actual savings.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

No kidding

For the OP of this meme, you know you can still pay for food services on flights today, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Ehh…

The bottom line 

Proportionally (inflation considered), flights are much cheaper now than they were 50 years ago. Consequently, flying is a more accessible mode of transport for many and has resulted in the soaring popularity of air travel, which began after deregulation. However, despite the cost drop, the base cost of flying has increased as airlines operate small profit margins and seek to remain competitive.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

It was like 135 bucks for the cheapest unrestricted ticket in the usa in 1975, which comes out to around 814 bucks today. Where as I can buy a round-trip ticket right now for 220, which is the equivalent of 38 bucks in 1975.

And to really put that into perspective, an average house in 1975 cost 39k, and if you take out a 20-year lone with 9% interest, you are looking at 193 bucks per month for your rent. So a single plane ticket in 1975 was 69% of the average monthly rent for a house.

Idk why I did all this, but my adhd told me I had to.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Airliner ticket prices used to be regulated. So when all airlines had to charge the same price, they had to find other ways to be competitive in order to bring in customers. Deregulation in the 70s brought ticket costs down but that means ticket cost is now the primary point of competition between airlines and amenities now come at a steep premium.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yep, you can have it one way or the other...cheap flights or super luxury and only the rich can fly. Planes are not cheap to operate and fuel isn't free.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

And CEO bonuses and shareholder dividends must always be high-flying.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But on the plus side normal people can use air travel now.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (10 children)

I'm not so sure that is a positive. Airplanes are huge emission drivers and our dependence on the convenience of air travel has caused us to cease investment and innovation in other more efficient and environmentally friendly methods of travel.

No doubt there'd be a lot more support for high speed rails if airplanes weren't as accessible. IMO airplanes should only really be used for intercontinental travel.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This is the sort of weird back in the day post that doesn't make sense. Boomers not understanding house prices and minimum wage, that is true.

This plane ticket stuff is wrong. For about the same cost as a ticket back in the day you get way more. In 1955, a one way transatlantic flight was roughly £5k. That's $6.3k freedom dollars, one way. You can today buy a ticket on that type of route for half that price that includes a lie flat bed, amenities and pyjamas, 2 hot meals, unlimited snacks, unlimited drinks, lounge access on departure and arrival, priority check-in, boarding an ungodly amount of luggage, etc. And in the lounges you get free food cooked to order, free unlimited drinks, free second tier food like buffets, etc.

If you want to spend the equivalent money or a bit more, you could fly even better. You can have a private chef onboard making a meal for you anytime you want. You can take a shower in the sky. You can have a literal bedroom and attached private living room in a mini suite just for you. And that's flying commercial.

The other side of it is that now people can also buy a ticket for $25. Which would be completely unfathomable back when civil rights weren't a thing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

In 1955, a one way transatlantic flight was roughly £5k.

Is this already inflation adjusted or was it 5k 1955-pounds, because that would make the difference way more extreme

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I adjusted it for inflation already.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago

The people in the top picture still fly like that.
The people in the bottom picture couldn't afford to fly at all in the past.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (20 children)

We are too reliant on air travel as it is. With the advent of the internet we should reduce air travel down to permitted leisure/visiting family and migration. Businesses should be able to video confernce most transactions. The situations where you absolutely need on site representation can be reduced drastically.

That is, if you took climate change seriously.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

HA. So look, I do agree. Problem is businesses don't care, even if we do. If you figure out a way to stop management across way too many professions from holding hour long meetings to talk about some data point that has so significance to what is actually happening, and those "leaders" who call meetings early to get the team together, when the whole damn thing could be in an email...yeah man, when you solve that, I'll work with you to solve the rest.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Ok, but like I'm not going to solve it. It's not also going to be solved today. I'm just saying you want to gripe about your shitty airplane experience like we need to make it a luxury resort when really we need to stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It can be extremely luxurious if you pay.

I'd rather get to my destination with my wallet still in tact, but you do you.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (16 children)

So I remember taking a flight 10 years ago and they gave us pretzel pieces from snyders. I thought, great, we don't even get whole pretzels...

Next flight, they give us generic "trail mix" in clear bags. The kind the old folks down the street would give out at Halloween because it was "healthy." but that contained approximately 2 pretzels the size of quarters, 3 peanuts, 3 generic m&ms, and 2 raisins...

It gave me the impression that airlines are like schools, where the flight staff are the ones bringing in the snacks because the airline is too cheap to supply them.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Airlines were not more luxurious 50 years ago.

You had more legroom and the TSA didn't exist, but everything else was way worse.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I swear, nobody on Lemmy gets sarcasm without being slapped in the face with it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Everyone on lemmy is autistic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or grew up around conservatives and heard that shit being said unironically.

I still hear people fondly reminisce about leaded gas. If you think I'm missing a joke, no. They will drive to airports to buy the leaded gas they sell there.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Eh, if you're looking for the cheapest ticket available you can't really expect luxury. Airlines are competing with prices, so all luxury goes off the window like a passenger on a Boeing flight

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Cuz first class used to be the only class.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Because our children’s children will still be paying the tab for that unsustainable opulence. Fuck they’ll be paying the bill for recreational air travel with only pretzels.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The amount of people who think flying is a normal thing. One percent of the worlds population produce 50% of aviation emissions. And most off the worlds population never fly in their life.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Stupid. The cost for flights then was more like beyond first class prices now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Stupid. The cost for flights then was more like beyond first class prices now.

And a lot more smoky.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

This reminded me of that one flight as a kid, when I was seated in a row with two smokers. I literally couldn’t breathe. I’m happy that my kids don’t have to experience shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Don't like the smoke? Then sit on the other side of the aisle in the non-smoking section.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Because you always buy the cheaper seats. It's not your fault, I do the same. Flying was literally for the wealthiest of people at that point in history, it was literally a luxury to fly instead of taking a train, bus, or a boat.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Indeed, I do prefer a can of cola, some pretzels and five crisp hundred dollar notes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
  • That tray table is WAYYYYY too big and luxurious - they have shrunk legroom so dramatically now that you get a little sliver about the width of your shoe.

  • That cup is about double the size they give now.

  • You didn't get to pick those pretzels, there was just the single "choice" now.

  • Also, you didn't get to pick that seat and you had to have last minute anxiety that you wouldn't even be assigned a seat by the gate agent at the airport (after already taking time off from work to travel and committing $100+ for uber or airport parking)

  • You also paid at least an extra $100 to have a carryon bag (more depending on your route) and even more for a checked bag.

  • your seatback no longer has a screen in it. You have to submit to letting airline gorge on your personal data by granting permissions to run entertainment from your own phone and drain your battery.

  • Also, though they removed screen and expect you to use your own device, no viable phone holder provided to put your phone in a proper viewing position, so you'll crane and hurt your neck throughout flight.

  • Also, your base airline ticket is now more expensive than in the past baggie all these upcharges and compromises.

  • shitty rental car at your destination now costs $100/day and parking at your hotel is not free, and is in fact $30-$50 additional per night.

  • And your garbage hotel room costs 3X what it should.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

You COULD be paying for first class seats and getting that kind of treatment, but you're flying Economy, aren't you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

You guys get snacks?

With Ryanair I’m thankful that they have to offer a seat.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Look at Mr. Moneybags over here, getting a drink that's not water.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Please just let me recline a bit more.

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