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I wouldn't call Project 2025 "more standard American bullshit". It's a plan for how to turn America into a fully fascist country within one presidential term.
The US is already a fully fascist country.
Ahh, leftism-doomerism. No one quite so right wing.
“Oh, cool! I’m gonna vote for Kamala Harris then; if we’re already fascist then she can’t do any harm, and I might get some of my student loans forgiven that way.”
NO NO NO NOT LIKE THAT
"Don't you understand? You'd be voting for a fascist! And that makes YOU a fascist! You gotta vote third party bro, trust me bro, protest votes totally work bro, and Harris is gonna win anyway I guarantee it, just ignore the victory margins in 2016 and 2020"
Or better yet: "We should let Trump win to stick it to the DNC for not picking someone far enough left. Just ignore the fact that if Trump wins they'll probably pick someone further right next election season anyway. Also I'm sure all those trans people whose lives are now in danger from Project 2025 sleep safer knowing that the blood of those Palestinians that Israel is still killing because Trump is still funneling them weapons isn't on my hands, because I didn't vote for genocide. I'm a great ally."
“Plus Trump is finally gonna stick it to those fuckin Ukrainians”
Wait are they actually saying that
I haven’t seen it for a while; it was mostly a kind of joke on my part as applied to the propaganda people in the present day. But yeah it used to be super common as of a few months ago to see overlap between “Biden’s no good for Americans I’m not voting and you shouldn’t either” and “NATO needs to stop meddling in Ukraine and blocking peace, this whole war is the West’s fault” on the same account.
Fun thing if you see someone advocating for voting for a third party: Ask them who. If they say Jill Stein or Cornel West, ask whether they agree with those candidates’ opinions about NATO. My bet is that you won’t get an answer.
Nothing particularly bad happened, to them
What, you don't remember Marx dropping that line in one of his letters to Engels?
I think he titled it, "Fuck You, Got Mine."
It's telling that the big thing the guy cared about in terms of each candidate's impact was the NordStream pipeline sabotage.
(Not that I think Biden was behind the pipeline exploding necessarily, just that it's an odd thing to pick out as a big impact of Biden's term in office.)
Trump is a lot like Reagan in that a lot of his policy choices are time bombs. In forty years, someone's going to be wondering "Jesus, why is this shit so dysfunctional? Oh, it's ~~Reagan~~ Trump. Of course it's ~~Reagan~~ Trump, it's always ~~Reagan~~ Trump."
Some of it will not even take that long. Like the tax breaks trump gave out that expired during Biden’s term. I see that cited a lot about why Biden bad.
Only tax breaks for regular people expired, the corporate handouts were good indefinitely.
Yeah, I can’t remember anything bad that happened in 2020.
Damage isn't obvious. A lot of it is:
Declining/damaged trust from allies and such.
Financial decisions that don't cause massive disruption but start to move things in the opposite direction from progress and toward greater wealth inequality.
General degradation of norms and values that our countries and allies rely on
Don't get me started on national security issues with how easy it was to get in Trumps ear by sitting at mar a Lago, spending a bunch of $ at his properties, meetings where translator notes were destroyed, stolen documents...
all the intelligence assets/ways&means burned because of the document handling and other stuff
All of this together makes it a lot easier for enemies to manipulate the populace and eventually cause some large scale disruption which would be probably under the opposing party (democrats) to continue to encourage trumpism and the politics that got us there.
Lastly, if you didn't suffer from anything negative from Trumps presidency, you're lucky or ignorant. Chances are it's affecting you in ways you either don't know/understand or don't care about. Essentially all trump did for the white working man is give them a warm fuzzy feeling inside
But don't you see, you literally cannot tell the difference. Muh both sides. The Repubs do a bunch of horrible shit, yes. But if you look at the Dems, well, the Repubs are also doing a lot of horrible shit while the Dems have control of no branches other than the executive. That's the Dem's fault. Therefore we must conclude that muh both sides.
Sometimes I think my memory is bad and getting worse, but hey at least I can remember an attempted coup 3.5 years ago
I was once of those federal employees impacted by the government shutdown that lasted almost two months. I illegally collected unemployment just to make sure I had for to eat. All because of a stupid fucking border wall that never even got built. I paid the unemployment back and faced no repercussions but the fact that I had to break the law because of his stupid ego is insane. I have a kid now I don't know what I'll do.