this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2024

5 points (100.0% liked)

Android

27852 readers

194 users here now

DROID DOES

Welcome to the droidymcdroidface-iest, Lemmyest (Lemmiest), test, bestest, phoniest, pluckiest, snarkiest, and spiciest Android community on Lemmy (Do not respond)! Here you can participate in amazing discussions and events relating to all things Android.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules

1. All posts must be relevant to Android devices/operating system.

2. Posts cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

3. No spam, self promotion, or upvote farming. Sources engaging in these behavior will be added to the Blacklist.

4. Non-whitelisted bots will be banned.

5. Engage respectfully: Harassment, flamebaiting, bad faith engagement, or agenda posting will result in your posts being removed. Excessive violations will result in temporary or permanent ban, depending on severity.

6. Memes are not allowed to be posts, but are allowed in the comments.

7. Posts from clickbait sources are heavily discouraged. Please de-clickbait titles if it needs to be submitted.

8. Submission statements of any length composed of your own thoughts inside the post text field are mandatory for any microblog posts, and are optional but recommended for article/image/video posts.

Community Resources:

We are Android girls*,

In our Lemmy.world.

The back is plastic,

It's fantastic.

*Well, not just girls: people of all gender identities are welcomed here.

Our Partner Communities:

[email protected]

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

A little rant about the Android operating system (mstdn.social)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

12 comments fedilink hide all child comments

A little rant about the Android operating system
@android
Everyone felt weird when I said I was using custom ROMs. Most of them haven't heard about anything beyond stock android. I wrote a blog trying to normalise it.
https://text.tchncs.de/czars-blogs/custom-roms-and-my-phone

#Android #OpenSource #Privacy #Linux

top 12 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Do we really need to be so constantly cringy about it? Yes, custom ROMs are great. I run one. Lots of other people run one. They're great. Don't get me wrong. But you have to realize most people simply don't care for one, Most vendors also don't really support their phones well under GSI, so things like camera and stuff like that hardly ever work properly.

In a lot of cases, it is quite a bit of work to get a custom rom flashed and have it working well. The technological skill gap between most people who will run an Android phone and even enthusiasts who will so much as think about installing a custom ROM is so massive that you may as well be a hacker to them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For me it's 100% about banking or payment apps that won't run if they detect a custom ROM or root. Otherwise i would consider the effort worth it, if only to free the device from the manufacturer's limited update commitment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Ironically, I have to root every time I install a ROM just to bypass the detections 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I do absolutely agree that this sucks. However, most people don't actually need this. Yes, it's very convenient, but I found that pretty much all banking apps, at least for people I have helped support, offer a web client anyways that's just as good. It's only missing things like NFC tap payment.

Of course, don't get me wrong. A lot of solutions don't offer web UIs, and that sucks. But we can't force everyone to be a not shitty developer Sadly.

I also do really miss tap payments with my phone. It's really nice just taking my phone when I go shopping and maybe $20 in cash. Not needing to worry about my car or anything else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Flashing a custom ROM is an arcane process, most up to date documentation is hidden in chat apps and if you miss a step, you risk boot-looping your device with no chance of recovery or warranty.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

While i agree and support a lot with what you are saying / trying to do, i'm not sure this is the right way to reach people. I'd say keep your blog going, but try find some nicer words and images and such (not the Anonymous kind of stuff..). The content comes off a little... strange (the word 'cringy' in the other comment was kinda wellplaced too), i hope you anderstand.

And i'm afraid most people won't be reached at all unless other ROMs are more (easier) available, like being pre-installed on devices you buy in stores.

Wished i could be of help in any way, i like your intentions and input!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

google is asshole

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Out of all the people you could blame, you literally chose to blame the single least affected party here. Google has actually taken great strides to make custom ROMs as easy as humanly possible without stepping on the toes of vendors.

Google does a lot of stuff people should hate, but this is not one of them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Google has actually taken great strides to make custom ROMs as easy as humanly possible

I guess that is besides:

slowly, but surely, stopping development of many AOSP core apps in favour of their own proprietary apps.
ensuring many of their apps are basically unusable with a custom ROM
making it so easy for app devs to block custom ROMs

Dunno, but that's all Google stuff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on the circle of people you're talking to... I'm not buying any phone without custom ROM support. And haven't done so in ages. I know several other people who've used LineageOS, GrapheneOS or Calyx at some point. I wouldn't say it's normal, but definitely not a unicorn encounter either. Just embrace it. You're a hacker now. Maybe this is a good thing. (Most certainly.)

I feel I should also say, times changed. Back in the day it was either impossible to run a Custom ROM because of some locked bootloader. Or it'd run perfectly smooth. Sometimes you'd be running a ROM of some 15 yo because that's the last person supporting that device. Today some things have changed. Security works differently. Lots of people use things like NFC payment that doesn't work that well without stock. More and more stuff has moved into the proprietary Google services. Cameras have become super complicated and AI enhanced. Running a Custom ROM feels very different from what it was 8 years ago. If you own one of the well-supported devices anyways. Because that was always an issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I wish this stuff was a little more mainstream. Part of it is simply self-interest: there would be more unlockable devices and fewer app developers trying to block their apps from running on third-party ROMs if more people ran them.

Part of it is I think that would be a better world. Big tech would have a bit less power. Devices would last longer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It was a lot more mainstream in the early days of android. When the companies used to lock internet tethering, you had to root to benefit from it.