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Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don't have ESP. So "prosecutors claim she didn't want to jeopardize her career" is not the same as "she didn't want to jeopardize her career".
It's not like she wrote in her diary "Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work."
Yea I don't think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.
That's fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.
My guess: didn't know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.
Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn't know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn't give you any room for error.
By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can't handle it, how it can't be happening, how she can't be a mother, doesn't want to be a mother, can't - not doesn't want to, but can't! CAN'T you understand?! - stop to work.
So she delivers secretly. By this point she's too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.
So she kills her newborn.
Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.
She didn't choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn't do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.
She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.
And she's a lawyer.
There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.
Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.
Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.
Yeah the title doesn't mention that she gave birth in secret and threw the baby out her window 10 minutes later...
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Exactly..
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Fuck dude.
I know, I'm awful. At least I had the decency to edit out the last panels.
I think that makes it even better. Fucking dark, but still funny because we all knew right away what the last panel would look like were it there...
It makes the joke just that much more of an oof tho.
10/10 my friend
Ok I legitimately laughed at this. Well done, sir.
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This just sounds like post partum depression to me.
Post partum psychosis.
I can't even begin to understand what it's like inside a woman's brain after childbirth. My wife struggled through it and came out ok. I'm glad I could help her.
I read that the hormone swing from pregnancy to "back to normal" the month or so after is the fastest swing in hormones a human can experience.
It can absolutely fuck up your brain during that time + lack of sleep + stress. It's a recipe for this kind of thing.
You're all rational and empathetic about this smh
That's definitely how I try to be! 😊
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As fucked up as this is, there's so little information given by this article that I can't even form an opinion on it.
My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows
Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can't be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.
Personally I like to listen to all sides
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Feels clickbait but it got me going for a minute haha
You know what else I bet would jeopardize her professional career?
Also that's murder, not manslaughter.
7.5 years of jail?
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
And the social consequences of course
Least psychopathic lawyer
This is sad, and it’s a shame the prosecutors are only going to be interested in a conviction. This woman is obviously suffering, and needs medical help for her postpartum depression.
birth took place ten minutes prior to the tragic incident
Bro got spawn-killed
Lots of heartless people in the comments who didn't read her side of this. Honestly, I sympathize with her almost entirely.
She didn't know she was pregnant. This is something that happens to women of her size sometimes. Not all pregnancies have the telltale symptoms. Sometimes you learn about your pregnancy as you're going into labor.
It's rare, but it absolutely happens.
She went from having a normal evening, to giving a natural birth alone in her apartment in a matter of about 20 minutes. She went from thinking she was having cramps to holding her newborn baby.
Within 10 minutes the baby had been dropped out of a window.
The amount of trauma this woman experienced, combined with the extreme and often immediate postpartum mental health issues, including psychosis, absolutely led to her making a completely irrational and tragic decision. I find it hard to swallow that she deserves punishment as if this were a long thought out plan to kill a child. This was a poorly handled crisis handled by a traumatized woman in a fugue state. She was not in a sound state of mind.
She doesn't deserve prison, she deserves compassion for what she's suffered and treatment for her mental ailments.
That they interrogated her and used her panic over her career against her as if she schemed to kill a child to further her career is honestly a disgusting angle to try to punish this woman. They opportunistically grilled a woman experiencing trauma so that they could throw the book at her.
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Please give your children up for adoption instead, what the fuck
I guess she didn’t think infanticide would hurt it? She’s clearly not a good lawyer.
I'm not sure she's actually wrong in the part about it Jeopardizing her career, because let's face it sometimes that's true. However did that not occur to her before she had the child? Surely she should have known that and not had a kid if that was her main priority.
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We need to make it so women don't have to feel this way..I thought Germany was fairly progressive like that, but obviously not enough.
I mean sure but I think there's a few extra steps between "feeling" this way and fucking doing it.
You can give someone access to all the help they need, but if they don't seek it out, there's not much you can do about it. It sounds like post partum depression may have played a role, that is real, but you can't force someone into treatment.
She threw the baby off the window 10 minutes after giving birth.
Spawn killer
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This is horrifying. Unfortunately this is a problem because most countries do not allow abortion after a certain period of pregnancy; and there is oftentimes no exceptions to this that isn't "a Rape charge on someone they might have slept with."
This means that certain women can get "stealth-ed" by someone^1^ and not realize they're pregnant until they're too late past the abortion deadline because of their biology and inexperience with being pregnant. It's also random and uncommon enough that authorities and lawmakers do not make accommodations for this situation.
^1^ - This also includes other situations such as uncommon birth control failures.
In this case; anti-abortion laws are intended to be cruel.
Unfortunately, women who are unknowingly pregnant also can't get help. I think it's likely the woman did not know she was pregnant until some point nearing the birth in the 8th or 9th month. If you're a woman who isn't native to the country, don't know it's laws, don't know where to get help and stuck on a business trip or company provided residency visa; I could see how easily one could be quite panicked.
I don't think she did the right thing. Unfortunately it's a rare case of some grey areas which too often we tend to treat like a black area of wrong.
This was a lawyer for a huge corporation… of anyone on the planet are you implying she just lacked access to an abortion? This woman is the most socially able example you could imagine…
I am extremely pro-choice. That implies a choice of a woman over her body. Not a choice to murder a born and living person, just cause of the situation or someone’s thought processes.
It may be hard to understand for people who think a mass of cells that would die without the mother living is an independent person who deserves to live regardless of if it kills the mother…
But I got to say you are doing a disservice to what pro-choice means.
Feels weird attaching pro-choice positions to a rich woman who threw a baby out the window instead of giving it up for adoption. That’s a disservice to the argument that poor people should have a choice in the first place.
To be fair, while abortion is technically not legal in Germany there are various allowances that essentially make it legal with restrictions. It is also for the most part less controversial than for example the united states. As for the restrictions: permitted within the first 12 weeks after an advisement appointment with a doctor and a 3 day consideration period. For women with low income the mandatory health insurance covers the procedure, the restrictions also do not apply in cases of rape or health risk to the mother.
I guess what I am saying is that the woman really had no excuse not to have an abortion or give birth and then give up the child for adoption. Fucking heinous crime, especially for something as mundane as what sounds like a mid level bureaucrat job.
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Let's set aside motive and treat this woman's obvious problem with her mental health. The last thing she needs is criminal proceedings and punishment that achieves nothing apart from getting conservative dicks hard.
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