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[–] tan00k@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are we head canoning Kira as bi now or is she including mirror universe Kira in this? Or maybe I missed something in several watches.

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is my problem with this meme whenever it comes up.

There are so many direct occasions to bring up representation and acceptance in Star Trek, so why do people always jump straight into platonic erasure and make up sexualities that aren't there?

I for one always loved the ability for people in Trek to work and live close to each other and develop deep friendships without resorting to coupling up. Turning every friendship into something more romantic just seems disrespectful, because people are perfectly capable of being friends without needing to make something more of it

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Babe, this 'platonic erasure' comes from the original airings.

It was the 90's, we were starved of everything. There was no overt representation. The comm still operated heavily in code, so if a show threw us circumspection we read between the lines.

[–] aaaa@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

You got Jadzia's kiss, you got Riker and the androgynous species, and all of Intendant Kira.

I'm not saying those few cases are enough representation (Kira being arguably a bad example, making her sexuality into a more "evil" trait), but they were definitely overt. On the other hand, there's zero basis for saying Prime Kira was bi, and Doctor Twink was quite straight, no matter how gay Garak was.

Honestly, I thought Julian and Garak was perfectly executed. Garak may have been flirty, but Julian was obviously more enamored with the spy scenario and intrigue (as we delved deeper into in Our Man Bashir and to some degree, the Section 31 episodes).

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

That was Quark.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

The bad guys on the show were: Space Hitler, Space Karen, Quark

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Quark isn't a bad guy 😢

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Quark is more of an inside track informant than an outright villain. While he often held to the Rules of Acquisition, he found himself going against the grain enough to be exiled.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I assume they’re calling Worf the”communist himbo?” I don’t get the communist part though.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I thought it was Morn. That guy just would not stop talking about communism.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For a minute there I forgot Communist Himbo was even in DS9. I should probably re-watch it after I"m done with Voyager, it's been a good 20 years.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 12 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Can you please remind me what character was the Communist himbo? Was it supposed to be Gul Dukat?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Hold up... Kira is bisexual?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Seriously, I've never personally seen anyone complain about startrek being woke now...

I have seen many people (including myself) complaining that star trek went from actually woke to just only virtue signalling and putting itself on the back on how progressive it suddenly is and yet somehow forgetting how to make people think about a ethics subject in a well written and entertaining way like it did in the past. Star trek has sucked ever after enterprise. Badly.

Commence the down voting and telling me I'm a racist....

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

One of the beauties of fantasy is that it is whatever you want it to be regardless of the authors intent

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