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And DS9 is the conservative one with all the religion and the baseball and the war crimes and stuff.
TNG was run by a Frenchman who thought allowing bronze age species to believe in God was a barbaric act and went to bat as a human rights lawyer for an android who in turn let his first child pick their gender at will. All that while his polyamorous first officer was busy arguing against conversion therapy when pushed upon his trans nonbinary partner.
Uh... He wasn't against allowing anyone to believe in a god of gods. He only took issue with people worshipping "The Picard" and Ardra scamming.
He gave a speech about how they had moved past religion and he wasn't going to allow them to go back to superstition
I looked it up.
Horrifying. Dr. Barron, your report describes how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!
Man was such an atheist I'm mildly surprised he isn't more of a terminally online conservative. He's too pro-choice, though, so I think we're safe.
He knew Ardra was a phony, but still passed up the opportunity.
That takes some restraint and willpower, as opposed to Will-power, cause we all know Riker would.
Dear Paramount: Doctor Twink and his boyfriend Fashion Lizard is a spinoff I would 100% watch every week.
Thank you.
It’s ok - he’s just a plain… simple… tailor.
The hypothetical discussions will be, without irony, absolutely riveting.
Oh my god yes. My Dinner With Andre style. Just the two of them flirting for an hour.
I would watch that over and over again.
... Star Trek is and has always been woke. It's like the core feature of Star Trek
ToS had the first interracial kiss shown on television. And then there was this entire episode.
Not gonna lie, as a straight white man, I would watch a show called " Doctor Twink with his boyfriend fashion Lizard".
I'm thrilled they are making a series about me.
They forgot Libertarian Alien who's there for comedic relief. His kooky libertarian plans reliably blow up in his face like Wile E. Coyote.
Quite woke of them to give representation to a conservative too. We wouldn't want to ignore any minorities. Not unless they shrink into nothingness. I hope.
Conservatism ... in DS9 they gave them an entire planet called Ferenginar.
I'm really loving the episodes with Brunt, Liquidator of the Ferengi Commerce Authority ..... if any being in the galaxy embodies taxation, it's Brunt. I love him because I absolutely hate him, a truly genius piece of character creation.
Jeffrey Combs is the most underrated actor of the 90s.
Combs also said of Brunt, "He was the IRS guy from hell. He's the guy who just kept coming back to make your life miserable, audit after audit after audit. I can imagine that that would be pretty awful. He also typified to me the inflexibility of someone who thinks their way is the right way."
Wokeness is not the issue with disco, et al. It's terrible writing, poor science even for soft sci fi, and too many cringey moments.
I get that some people love it. But the emotional resolution porn is, to me, just icky.
This sums Dico up perfectly for me. I consider myself "woke", I share the values they are advocating in Disco very much. But it's just. So. Shoved. Into. It.
It's not subtle, it's not something coming naturally to the story in most cases. It's just badly writen into a already badly written overall show.
And that, to be honest, is a shame.
The first interracial kiss on TV was between Kirk and Uhura in 1968. Star Trek is and always has been set in a time when humans have achieved a post-scarcity leftist utopian. Shit's been this way since way before your uncle started calling everything he doesn't like "woke" which was only like 4 years ago for the record.
Know what was really woke? Keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics. For real. I'm quoting this article lol.
Is Eddington communist himbo? Rom?
Pretty sure it’s Rom
Thank you. That's the only one I didn't recognize immediately, haha. Poor delightful faithful Rom.
Thanks for asking, I was racking my brain trying to figure it out
The problem isnt woke, the problem is CW level writing. I've watched every episode of star Trek up to season 2 of Picard and the writers of discovery not understanding the speed of light, and it feel like the writers are just in qualified for their positions. It's so bad.
The writing for all the previous shows all had their highs and lows, but characters acted within their characterization and had genuine motivations. Picard season 1 was a rip off of mass effect and old man's war, with the facade Picard shoe horned in. Season 2 you have him chummy with a cold blooded murderer who faced no consequences.
I liked discovery for the first few seasons, but the plot holes, inconsistencies, and poor characterizations, left me feeling like watching the show was more habit or chore. I also never really felt like I got to know characters because their actions are so off the wall that you don't figure out the algorithms of their personality and motivations.
I honestly feel like lower decks has been the best Star Trek made in this new era, but I haven't seen brave new worlds yet or Picard season 3. I just needed a break after Picard season 2.
SNW is much better. It's not a single story stretched to fit over a whole season helps a lot. It's definitely one of the best of new era Trek.
Season 3 of Picard is better than the first couple, but doesn't really add anything.
The stand out surprised at how god damned fucking good it is though is Prodigy. The first few episodes are a little bit childish, but after that it is excellent.
SNW is legit really good. A return to form. They experimented with different genres like you mentioned on the other shows then when they were writing SNW some brilliant person was like "hey, how about if we tried making star trek?"
They were too cowardly to make Doctor Twink and his boyfriend a thing, so they don't get credit for that. Fashion Lizard works, though.
I would argue that, in fact, they did do that. They just kept it extremely low-key. Every time you hear Garak tell Bashir “your pants are ready to be picked up,” that was their fuck code. Nobody in the galaxy has their pants altered that often.
Let’s not forget:
Traumatized Goo
I see they put O'Brien on this list, but then which one is Odo?
It was woke then too.
Colm Meaney was associated with Sinn Fein (formerly the political arm of the IRA) for a long time, so "Pro-Union Irishman" took me a minute.
