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Most medical students at Johns Hopkins University will no longer pay tuition thanks to a $1 billion gift from Bloomberg Philanthropies announced Monday.

Starting in the fall, the donation will cover full tuition for medical students from families earning less than $300,000. Living expenses and fees will be covered for students from families who earn up to $175,000.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Uplifting: this is objectively a ton of good done for these students

Dystopian: this money was earned by the theft of value produced by working class labor and throwing a few breadcrumbs of it back into the system and acting like it’s some great pure good is pure evil and people will lap it up like dogs

[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 months ago

Yeah. Bloomberg and the other billionaires should be taxed enough so that we can fund this and other social programs for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Medical education could have been free this whole time through taxes but instead public funding of secondary education was gutted instead of expanded so rich fucks like Bloomburg could keep more money for themselves.

So even worse!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Even more negative outlook:

The world is dying and fascism is rising and you spend a billion dollars on doctors not graduating with debt? They're guaranteed quality employment! It's the goddamn Dark Ages residency workload that depresses them!

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Education should be free! I'm glad I was born in Europe and don't have to worry about health care and education fees.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Must be nice to have your taxes pay for something useful instead of guns and war like us.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A strong army is also very important. Europe is practically disarmed. We woke up when Putin attacked Ukraine. The United States must, remain strong. China is sharpening its teeth on Taiwan, Putin has gone mad. Other Nato countries should increase defense spendings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The US will keep paying to protect NATO countries so we can fight wars there instead of here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Europe is a nuclear power with second strike capability. „Practically disarmed„ is rather different

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Most European countries do not have nuclear weapons. And only France and Great Britain have their own. Everyone wants to be as independent as possible. Alliances can fail.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Those can also be useful, the problem is we're choosing not to do both.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What's useful about funding foreign wars, and coups?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

War does drive a lot of scientific development.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I'm so glad we kill strangers then... you know, for science.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Our military spending is not preventing us from having free college or free healthcare. Both would save us money if we switched to 100% government funded systems. No amount of military spending is preventing us from saving money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It used to be free in Australia but then after the politicians all got their free education they decided the country couldn't afford it anymore.

To be fair the new system is still pretty reasonable but it used to be totally free.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The original Hippocratic Oath made you swear not to charge to teach people about medicine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Oath was rewritten in 1964 by Dr. Louis Lasagna

I nearly died when I read Dr. Lasagna

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

He's sort of a cheesy guy on the surface but he has layers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

It also made you promise not to do surgery and medical knowledge revolved around balancing bile.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

With a billion dollars, I'd just buy enough congressman to make university free for everyone. They're not even that expensive

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He did try to buy an election already.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

That's where he fucked up, it's so much cheaper to timeshare a politician that to be one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

True, true. Funny how it's so much cheaper to own an elected official than it is to be one

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It says starting in the fall it will be free, but how long does 1 billion last? How many years will they be able to do this for now?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Endowments aim to achieve perpetual existence by only spending dividends from investments. Assume growth of 8% of a billion means they can spend 80 million dollars a year without shrinking the endowment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

And that really highlights the absolute absurdity of billionaires existing at all

😃

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The 4% rule can fail during some cycles, an 8% withdrawal would have numerous failure rates.

You'd have to be willing to adjust heavily during downturns, probably yearly. Adjusting like that could cause uncertainty and make it difficult to apply for all students.

3.5% over an extended period had no failures on any cycle.

The 3.5% was looking at very early retirement, such as 35/40yr old.

Edit: just want to add, those failures on the 4% were small. It was like if you started the cycle on 1 of 2 months many years ago and made no changes when shit got very bad, it would fail. The majority of the time you end up with vastly more money. But also past performance doesn't guarantee future performance so who knows, but there is some risk.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The operating expenses will show a sudden and totally coincidental billion dollar increase in 2024, and tuition will be collected as usual in 2025.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That's how getting the government into student loans worked out. It took longer than a semester, but it cost more money than free college and put so many people in so much crippling debt so that evens out.

Based on that, I expect that the costs will go up $750M and stay there so there will be one semester of free tuition, one of severely reduced tuition, then it will be so expensive that no one can go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The Internet says that the total cost for a degree from Johns Hopkins medical student per year is $64,665. In addition, various indirect costs like books, housing, healthcare, various fees, living expenses, and so on, bring that same estimate up to around $105,000 annually.

$1,000,000,000 invested in a stupid boring index fund at an estimated 4% return yields $40,000,000 in interest alone, or, using the above numbers, enough for 380(.95) students each year.

Based on this quick page from their own website: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/education-programs/md-program/our-students/class-statistics

Wherein they accept just 266 students, it could last for a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Big doomer comment section

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

🤙 Mount up

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I am choosing to only see the uplifting stuff here and rejecting the bad.

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