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[–] [email protected] 227 points 4 months ago (7 children)

On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn't spend an hour blatantly lying.

I was watching CNN's coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN's coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.

It's crazy how they're completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It's almost like that'd favour a populist candidate or something.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah Trump spent an hour blatantly lying.

But people believe him.

That's not a win.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It should be the media's responsibility to thoroughly fact check both parties. If that means they have to pre-submit their primary answers and read them off a teleprompter, then so be it.

You're right, it wasn't a win, but it should have been.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 months ago (3 children)

CNN can't help themselves. They need to compete with social media I guess.

I dunno, that debate just made me sad.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

CNN can't help themselves.

I wonder if that has anything to do with CNN's chairman and CEO, Mark Thompson, ranked by Forbes as the 65th most powerful person in the world. 🤔

Would someone like that benefit from tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (52 children)

you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don't have trump, and they're voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.

sure, it shouldn't be about appearances, but it is, because that's how most people interpret the debates (especially because it's part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn't exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that's the worst i've ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I thought Biden did alright

He just didn't. In any other previous cycle, it would not have been considered acceptable. The bar has gotten very low.

Biden looked senile, and Trump looked like regular, crazy Trump. The senility will do more for voters than Trump being Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (8 children)

The issue is appearances are all that mattered. I don't believe anyone who was interested enough in politics to watch that debate was undecided. It's now time for the campaigns to cut up the debate to use for ads that will actually reach the undecided voters. I feel it's going to hurt Biden a lot more than Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 4 months ago (44 children)

So the choice is between a senile old man with good intentions and a treasonous, syphalitic crook. And the crook has a non zero chance of winning.

Fuck me, what a shit show.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 months ago

a treasonous, syphalitic crook.

...that's also a senile old man.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

The odds are currently 60% Trump. What a disaster.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 4 months ago (18 children)

These two old people should be at home sleeping, not trying to run the country.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've been chuckling about danger since 2016 when the democratic party pushed through hillary and then lost against a clown. The democratic party does not instill confidence (except in their ability to sabotage themselves).

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They would rather hand the country to the insane Nazi clown than do anything that night upset their sponsors.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The whole thing was the strongest argument against American exceptionalism I've ever witnessed.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 months ago (87 children)

In this thread: Depression and angry, and misplaced comparisons.

This doesn't change what we need to do, folks. Get Biden back in and use those four years to stay together and fix this bullshit. That's the goal. I think we ARE angry enough to finally achieve something like it.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

That's what they said last time. I'll hold my nose and vote for him but I don't expect anything to improve and I'm not going to stop bitching about it.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (6 children)

It's not Joe. It's the fact that he's old, and Trump is old, stupid and a criminal felon. And we have no other choice? Out of the several hundreds of millions of Americans we get these two and that's it? How come no one else wants the job?

I will choose Biden 1000000000 times over Trumpfus. With Biden, China is what it is, an economical frienemy. With Trump they are our best friends and so on and so forth if they just give Trump tickets to the Padres game or something. No question, Biden. But if a piece of cheese 🧀🍕 was running and it could talk, I would vote cheese all the way!

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Troofs. Yea I'll hafta vote Democrat cause holy fuck look at what republican means right now(also for as long as I was voting age). And while I want to just throw my vote away and vote third party because fuck both parties.... I do live in somewhat important not necessarily decided state. (Iirc pa went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020).

I forget the term for it, but fuck that thing that makes political bribes legal in the US. Fuck gerrymandering. And most of all fuck this two party system where both parties are owned, fucking outright, by companies and oligarchs and foreign influences.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Like if you don't already knew, both of them are not fit to be the president of United States of America.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich. Again. USA needs to somehow break free from the 2-party nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Im just hoping that people recognize that despite the EXTREMELY unfortunate choices here, one administration is going to be a lot better than the other regardless. Shit choice.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Trying to watch that mess felt like listening to my schizophrenic relative explain her dream: Not fucking worth getting invested. Still voting against Trump but jeeze, this sure isn't helping the case for our electoral system. Giant douche or Turd sandwich would literally be more compelling.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He had nothing to gain from agreeing to this debate.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

So fucked. Goddamnit.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They should have just given him those drugs. You can't appease Nazis so it's idiotic to try.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (7 children)

900+ pages of me getting my rights fucked straight into the ocean.

Can we just like, set everything on fire?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (14 children)

We tried to encourage the Democratic Party to primary someone else, someone who doesn't reek of genocide and cognitive decline.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Looking pretty stupid not having a Primary lol

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.

The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (15 children)

As a European I always wonder why Americans don't create an alternative party to the Democrats, after all it is the party that in 2016 cheated in the primaries so that Hillary would win and still lost to an idiot. If you create a real left-wing party you can seriously propose things like socialized healthcare just as the right is not shy about proposing crazy things like banning abortion.

The only difference is that they have been successful in colonizing the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simply an outdated instrument that no longer represents its own bases.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Americans have tried to create third parties before, but due to the electoral college and the first past the post voting system, new parties are destined to fail and not win any votes. So the current two party system is the natural state of America.

The only way to change this is to get rid of the electoral college and the FPTP system, like that's ever going to happen.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (19 children)

As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats

A third party has no chance in a first past the post system. If you create an alternative party to the Democrats, you're just making sure the Republicans win every election.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (10 children)

As a European… we’re not really fond of this situation either. Both candidates would get laughed off stage here. I don’t mind a seasoned, older politician, but these two should stick to golf and not running a country. Get yourself some better candidates or better, vote for a third party.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Both candidates would get laughed off stage here

There's a reason there was no audience.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Bro just vote your way out of it.

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