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I suffer from this thing called object permanence (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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A thing only exists if I know it exists. I experience good days and bad days but I do the best I can to keep moving forward despite this flaw. I don't have any wisdom to share but I hope y'all have a nice day ๐Ÿ˜Š

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[โ€“] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Reminds of the "out of sight, out of mind" phrase which is used a lot by the ADHD community. Essentially, we tend to forget stuff either because we are hyperfocused on something (common ASD trait too), or because our working memory sucks. As a result, whenever something gets out of our sight, we tend to forget about it.

For example, yesterday I almost burnt my food because I decided to quickly reply to a message. Before I realized it, an hour had passed and I was rushing to the kitchen to save whatever I could.

Are you experiencing something similar?

Thanks btw, I wasn't aware of the term "Object Permanence", here is a wikipedia link for anyone interested:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence

Object permanence is the understanding that whether an object can be sensed has no effect on whether it continues to exist (in the mind). This is a fundamental concept studied in the field of developmental psychology, the subfield of psychology that addresses the development of young children's social and mental capacities. There is not yet scientific consensus on when the understanding of object permanence emerges in human development.

I wish a good day back at you ๐Ÿ˜

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So object permanence is way more extreme than what most people with ASD or ADHD experience. You can demonstrate a lack of object permanence in young children by presenting them with a toy and then covering the toy with a blanket, while they child is watching. The child will react as if the object is gone and be unable to find the toy. It's at some point in the toddler phase where most children pick up object permanence. For example you'd expect a 4 year old to lift the blanket they saw you place over the toy.

With ADHD it's an attention/working memory issue. I'd expect an ND adult to know to look under the blanket they saw placed over an object immediately after it happened. Someone without object permanence couldn't do that. It's why peek-a-boo is a fun game for babies but not ADHD adults.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

It's weird to hear peekaboo described so technically

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Does anyone have any experience with some return of working memory with treatment?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

There might ve some improvement with medication for some people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4120250/

And some training may improve working memory, although there seems to be some disagreement about how much.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13423-024-02466-8#:~:text=Meta%2Danalyses%20have%20found%20that,tasks%20for%20assessment%20and%20training.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Treatment helps with using your working memory better, as well as working around its limitations better. Unfortunately this gets harder to change as you get older.

ADHD medication can help a lot too (assuming you have ADHD). It doesn't improve memory directly, but can cut down the constant "noise" in your head. This makes fixing memories easier.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yup that's the one. I lost my phone one time in middle school and freaked out and the next day it was in the office cuz someone picked it up behind me and couldn't get my attention cuz I was too busy backtracking.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

At least you know why it happens. One day at a time autism bro.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I believe in quantum mechanics. When I am not observing it, it doesn't exist. It totally explains why I constantly lose things that were just right there! I saw it there once, I remember seeing it there, but now when I look again, it ain't there.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Tell that to all the individuals who have been stabbed from behind.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Bullshit

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Nah you don't

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What's supposed be a different way of experiencing this variable/trait? For example, are people imagining things and believe those things exist?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That would be a schizophrenic side effect. This is like say for example you put your phone down and after a couple minutes it's gone but it's still there this is incredibly frustrating to say the least.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Um, to be fair, Descartes mostly agrees with you. (He later tries to finagle god and the rest of the world with some dubious logic, but that's challenged more often than the initial premise and first step.)