There will always be morons that just don't get it. It is how Q Anon went from a 4chan joke to what it is now.

“Mind bottling. You know, when things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle”

My first viewing I did mostly take it at face value. But in my defense, I was a dumb 11 year old kid. It wasn't until Neil Patrick Haris came out in full SS uniform that I started asking questions.

I would just like to take this moment to suggest people find a comfortable place to sit with a stiff drink, spliff or whatever and listen to the first chapter of the audio book - and I mean really listen, actively visualize the story and everything being described, let yourself really emotionally connect with the events as much as possible - it's a really powerful and well written bit of action sci-fi.

It's on YouTube read by Christopher Hurt, first chapter is about 40 min, I've read a lot of sci-fi and it's without a doubt in my mind the strongest and most thought provoking opening to a Sci fi. It gets you pulled into the characters, the world, and emotion without a break in the action - and for a book punished in 1959 the action is unbelievably believable, it's hard to imagine better high energy action sci-fi combat -- someone needs to make a real gritty anime of it.

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The main arguments for it being a pro military and pro war movie is that the Bugs ARE attacking and that if humanity wants to survive, they will have to fight. Then, while most people do die, the movie ends with a major victory that looks like it may help save humanity.

I don't really think you can argue those points away to claim its an anti military/war movie. The movie would have needed for humanity to have attacked the bugs first, starting the war; or at the least having had most everyone die for no reason, without making a shred of progress in the war effort.

I mean, they were fighting to save our entire species, and the two most vocal people in the entire movie (Ricos parents) that were against the military machine were some of the first people to die in the movie.

NGL I'm still a little salty at OWI only making the Extermination game after the Troopers Mod for Squad took off so hard. No credit to the hard work on that mod that rekindled the interest at all.

I don't understand why people wouldn't take it at face value without any further context offered to them beforehand. It's a campy action film that's a lot of fun but with just the faintest dusting of authoritarianism that could be easily disregarded as just part of the ambience of the filmmaker's decisions. It ends on a hopeful scene implying better understanding of the Bugs in order to reach victory.

You've got to read the book to get it, but even then that doesn't really shift the film out of being a Big Action Shooter that's fun to watch.

I mean he's pretty much been on board with it all along. I'm pretty sure he's been involved in most of the sequels in some way.

I just watched the movie because there were boobies.

People don't even get Robocop, and that one is even less subtle (IMO).

Unrelated, but I met Casper at a convention last summer, and he was super cool. He seems like he'd be a fun guy to know.