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Reminder to switch browsers if you haven't already!


  • Google Chrome is starting to phase out older, more capable ad blocking extensions in favor of the more limited Manifest V3 system.
  • The Manifest V3 system has been criticized by groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation for restricting the capabilities of web extensions.
  • Google has made concessions to Manifest V3, but limitations on content filtering remain a source of skepticism and concern.
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[–] [email protected] 325 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 287 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago

Been here since Kevin helped the project out?

[–] [email protected] 108 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm sorry. I've seen this so many times today and I can't stand it anymore.

I hate this article photo. What the fuck is that shit?? Gloveless fingers? Digit warmer? Turtlefinger sweater?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Finger sweatbands for epic googling activities

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 5 months ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (15 children)

How long until the majority of the Internet is inaccessible to non-Chromium browsers because the pages "don't support them"?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly the way the internet is going do you need access to the majority of the internet? I feel like its pretty dead as it is now already.

Lemmy will still work because we mostly use Firefox, and i bet the same will hold true for many others.

Basically the moment mainstream internet becomes google only you will see nerds build new websites specifiably to cater to the non google crowd and i trust random internet nerds a hack of a lot more than a monopoly corporation.

BRING IT ON GOOGLE!, YOU CAN INITIATE THE PUSH TO CREATE A NEW BETTER INTERNET. ^Create demand for freedom trough your suppressive enforments^

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (8 children)

If it don't work on Firefox I won't use it. There are better FOSS options anyways

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Chrome is the new Internet Explorer.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 months ago (16 children)

I use Firefox everywhere which means I have ads blocking everywhere, including and especially on Android. All my tabs are synced and are easily transferred between devices.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Firefox is a good option.

But I will raise people one more. Waterfox. Been using it for over a year now and enjoy it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Firefox's marketshare is small enough relative to Chrome's that some websites might just block it at this point, if Chrome users mean ad revenue and Firefox users don't.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Firefox has 2.88% marketshare.

Chrome has 65.34% marketshare.

It's gonna be interesting to see what happens...

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

It doesn't necessary cost a meaningful amount to a site to allow Firefox users to view it; it does however cost to make it compatible with non-chromium browsers. For most viewing that's a non issue (I mean, most crms are going to work) but specific sites might stop working (YouTube already got caught throttling firefox, and tbf, streaming would cost more than reading an article or something).

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

Firefox blocks statcounter tracking by default. It's an inherently flawed metric, though Firefox is definitely in the minority still vs Chrome

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But I will raise people one more. Waterfox

Never heard of it, I prefer LibreWolf
https://librewolf.net/#what-is-librewolf

but I'm gonna list some other popular forks

TOR Browser (anti-censorship enhanced fork, bundled with TOR network)
https://www.torproject.org/

GNUzilla IceCat (GNU version)
https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

Pale Moon (able to use old XUL based extensions)
https://www.palemoon.org/

Mullvad Browser (a security hardened fork, IIRC based on TOR, made by Mullvad VPN company)
https://mullvad.net/en/browser

ANDROID (Fennec/Fenix)

Fennec F-Droid (Fennec version available on F-Droid, clean of propietary blobs)
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/
https://gitlab.com/relan/fennecbuild

Mull (hardened fork of Fenix)
https://gitlab.com/divested-mobile/mull-fenix

IceRaven (yet another hardened fork of Fenix, able to install an extended list of extensions)
https://github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Well I will sound like an old bore but throughout the nearly 20 years Firefox is out I never looked at anything else. Seen the rise and fall of Internet Explorer seeing the rise and fall of chrome.

Even Firefox in its dreadfully slow era (2010-2016) it did not made me change. And let me be clear Firefox is far from perfect. But for my use cases (privacy and security balance over certain conveniences) I would not change for any commercially backed Browser.

Moral of the story. It's better to donate to Mozilla and enjoy the freedom of your browser than giving yourself in on the erratic behavior of the big tech companies.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (21 children)

The silver lining here is that you'd hope that more people will simply adopt Firefox. It's user share has been too low for too long given how great it is

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They messed up 10 years ago when for some reason it took ages for Firefox to load compared to Chrome, and sadly it never really recovered the user base even though the performance is vastly improved.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

Good thing I exclusively use Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago

Fortunately I at least have Firefox on Linux. But then when I need to use Windows for something… well look at that, also Firefox!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (16 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's still DNS level only, right? That wouldn't stop YouTube ads, or remove annoyances.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Switched to Firefox at work today. Looks like I still need Chrome to do the VPN handshake, but the more of us there are, the more pressure we have on IT!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (14 children)

It's weird that I've been on firefox for the vast majority of my life and I always had this perception that "everyone" was using it. Here in lemmy you hear about it all the time, my friends use it, I see it on my newsfeeds etc

But when you check the market share it around 2.8% while chrome is 65.1% https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

I say this a lot but get Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Now we gotta have websites developing for all web browsers instead of Google Chrome like it's Internet Explorer 2.0.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (22 children)

There are effectively only two web browsers: Chrome and Firefox. Literally everything else, aside from some really niche things that can't render modern webpages, is a fork of one of those two that uses the same rendering engine.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (14 children)

I've been way more than a decade (closer to two decades) uninterruptedly using Firefox. I've never used chrome as a my main browser, ever.

But still, I'll be naive if I didn't recognize that this kind of shit will affect me even if it's just indirectly.

Next year they'll surely will be forcing many webs only working in "manifest V3 compliant browsers". I'm sure of that.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

firefox extensions are the best patches i have for enshittification

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (5 children)

What does google expect users to do once they realize they get better extensions with firefox?

Imagine ad blockers not working on youtube only on chromium browsers, or tracking cookies/pixels/scripts not being blockable only on chromium browsers.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They expect most users to not care, and sadly they're right.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I think people just genuinely don't know that firefox (and I suppose Safari) is the only true alternative browser i.e. Not based on chromium.

I do my best to transition people I know across, but people are retty comfortable on chrome. If ad blockers stop working, I think there will be people who care just enough to switch.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can't wait for nothing to change 'cause 90% of chrome users don't use add-ons.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (17 children)

I can't remember a time when I didn't use Firefox. Actually back in highschool I used IE around 2002ish but only because I didn't know any better back then.

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