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online anti cheats are the worst thing (lemmy.ml)

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Recently, i had to move from nixos to windows against my will simpy because of anti cheats. While i dont game that much, the few games i enjoy playing are all online with some kind of anti cheat. I used to dual boot but i was tired of having to wait for my slow hdd to load windows (i only have one ssd). I literally used linux for everything else but because of anti cheats i am forced to move to windows. I managed to make it a little better by using wsl2 and removing bloatware but it will never be the same as linux

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

I think what you meant to write is "online games with anticheat are the worst thing".

Because "online anticheat" is becoming a thing wherein the anticheat system is run on a remote server and not your local system. Not only does it not need to install malware on your local system, but it does a better job at catching cheaters.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Yup, and it's a fantastic option. AFAIK, that's what Valve uses for CS:GO, and while it's not perfect, it isn't intrusive and largely does its job.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's not even what I was referring to. I'm talking about full anticheat server-side. Waldo Vision

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting. Most of what I've seen operates on inputs, like whether aiming is too accurate or the player moves unrealistically fast.

But I'm in favor of anything server-side, we really shouldn't be trying to make the clien more trustworthy.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I could be wrong but I believe most games (e.g: Fairfight in all EA games) do have a server-side anti-cheats, just not very effective ones because they like for EAC/BE to do most of the work.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No, you're not wrong, but like you said they don't really do much. But what I'm talking about is fully functional server-side anticheat. Check this out Waldo Vision. I skipped past the intro, cause that had WAN Show clips, which haven't aged well...

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I refuse to buy a game that has DRM or anti cheat.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I would too, but it play it with firends and they couldn't care less about free software and linux. They just want to play no questions asked

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Sometimes you have to choose between what is convenient and what is right, and sometimes that means giving things up. But not everyone is willing or able to do that. It's fine, do what you feel you need to.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This. Use whatever is best for you and sometimes that just isn’t Linux. We don’t win people over by trying to force anything :)

Hopefully this issue will continue to get better over time, which it is slowly.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Same here. I’ve only a Linux machine for over a decade but I had to go out and buy Windows just so I could play on FaceIT. I’m praying that cs2 supports Linux and the MM experience is good enough to make FaceIT obsolete.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Cs2 is 100% getting Linux support. Wouldnt make sense for a company that heavily invested in Linux to not support it

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

100% im switching to nixos/arch when cs2 releases

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Buy windows? 🤯🤯🤯

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I hope they didn't actually buy it from M$ at least, but a third party reseller for five bucks

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Personally never bought it. (Windows activation script ftw)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I did, it was £79 or £89 if I recall. Windows 10 home edition. Also I don’t get Windows 11 because my mobo/cpu don’t support it.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

A Windows license is in the realm of $200

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Why should he?

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

NVMe drives have become to inexpensive recently I just bit the bullet and dual-boot windows from it's own drive. Takes less than ten seconds to switch.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Just make sure you physically disconnect all other storage devices while installing windows. The windows boot loader seems to make itself comfy on any drive it can find.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I'd rather the anti cheat be there. Playing a game with a bunch of cheaters ruins the game. Not wanting to play it is equal to not buying it in the first place in terms of enjoyment. So I'd rather have strong anti cheat on Linux. Anti cheat doesn't ruin the game, you are still able to enjoy it.

But this is also why I think supporting native Linux builds is better. If they are supporting native Linux builds they are supporting Linux as a platform. With proton the developers don't think about Linux. Proton overall has kind of hurt Linux support because it means no one thinks about the platform anymore.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Anti-cheat as a concept is fine but invasive client-side anti cheat just aren't it.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't be so spineless.

Plenty of games work without anti cheat on Linux and I only play them.

You just buckled under the tiniest amount of pressure, but you would have to pry Linux out of my cold dead hands.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not sure why there are so many downvotes. Are there really that many people in here of all places who think gaming is just triple-A games from companies that don't respect their players and nothing else?

Edit: wording

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It's actually pretty hard to fuck up your game that much that it doesn't work on Linux.

Many anti cheat even work under proton.

So yeah, just don't fucking buy shit games.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't like it because that's the kind of elitist attitude that turns away new people from checking out Linux gaming. Imagine that as a response to "Hey I play these games and am interested in Linux". You're going to tell them: "switch to Linux and give up those games and if you don't you're not committed enough"?

It's gatekeeping "console-wars" fanboy mentality. Like a ~~Linux~~ Playstation fan attacking someone for playing an ~~Windows~~ Xbox Exclusive. As if that's supposed to be their whole identity, and not just a way to play video games.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple consoles; there's nothing wrong with dual-booting.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

In my experience, most Windows-exclusive games work just fine under Wine. It's not that big a deal.

This thread isn't even about Windows games per se, but about a few games whose anti-cheats are screwing over Linux users.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I just refuse to buy any games with client side anti cheat. It's just too much of a security and privacy risk to have those rootkits on my computers.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity, which games are those?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Fall guys fortnite and apex (judge me if you want but my broke firend don't wanna try anything else)

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I can confirm that both apex and fallguys are working just fine on Linux. Fortnite on the other hand does not.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm not judging, as I said I was curious. I get it though, Apex just had a Linux ban wave, Fortnite well, it's owned by Epic and Fall Guys to my knowledge requires editing AC files so Windows in your case is more convenient

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Dam. Sorry to hear.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There’s unfortunately not much to do.

Linux is inherently less “secure” to developers. They have to sacrifice anti-chest efficiency to enable them on Linux, which is a tradeoff most aren’t willing to make.

Most every game I play requires me to stay on windows. I don’t really get any enjoyment out of single player games anymore. So windows stays as the primary OS and that’s likely never going to change.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

But it's not. Easy anti-cheat, for example, works on Linux. The problem isn't with Linux, it's that developers don't target Linux, so their anti-cheat systems don't work on Linux.

And that's fine with me, though it would help Linux adoption if those games worked on Linux. But it's not an inherent limitation of Linux, it's just something devs need to proactively support.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Correction, EAC barely works on linux. Apex is just safer because Respawn themselves are putting in some effort.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So EAC works, but it works at a different level than it does on windows. EAC does become less secure on both platforms when Linux support is enabled from my understanding. BattleEye, Vanguard and Riots AC don’t work on Linux either, which is a significant portion of major games right now.

I’d argue it is an inherent limitation of Linux, as it’s so open that it’s harder to validate a user isn’t using 3rd party programs to cheat.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So don't get into those games in the first place. There are so many games available. You will never exhaust them all.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I primarily play competitive fps games. They’re more or less the only genre of gaming that’s any kind of fun anymore imo.

I don’t enjoy single player games. I own literally thousands of dollars of indie/AA single player games that I don’t enjoy, so I’ve stopped buying new ones. I’m simply not interested in non-competitive games. They’re not fun and I’d rather not play them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Personally I don't really enjoy multiplayer games much because they are all so stale nowadays.

I guess I grew up with dedicated servers, map editors, and mods coming out all the time but most of the modern ones are so fixed on DLC and battlepasses.

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