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County officials alert Montecito homeowners that they face prosecution, including daily fines of $850 if stones are not removed

Montecito, California, is known for being home to Oprah, a former royal family, and a stunning stretch of coastline. It’s also home to miles of trails, some of which are being blocked by residents hoping to stop people from accessing public hot springs.

Santa Barbara county has been watching encroachments on East Mountain Drive and Riven Rock Road in Montecito since at least 2022, when they sent letters to residents warning them to remove large stones.

Last month, county officials sent letters again to at least six homes alerting residents to remove the stones by 28 March or face civil or criminal prosecution, including daily fines of $850. The county insists that these roads are a public right of way.

The issue seems to be with parking at the trailhead, where a tiny lot allows for just eight vehicles. When that fills up, hikers have to park on roadsides. The hot springs contain six bright blue pools that are located 1.3 miles from the trailhead in the San Padres Forest, surrounded by a deep forest and rocky hills. It became popular during the pandemic when hiking surged in the area, and has also taken off on social media as a destination.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s not clear if the stones have been cleared.

🤡

More like, "we just got paid to not do anything about it". If they wanted those stones cleared they would have brought a fucking excavator, got shit done, and fined the people responsible over $10,000 for the cost of moving them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's actually exactly what is happening, the courts have ordered them to remove the rocks or be fined.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Those are not the same. In one, the right-of-way is cleared and they are fined… but while that plays out, it’s usable.

I’m the other. They’re paying a price to keep people out. If you’re wealthy enough, then it’s just a thing. Like paying the yard guy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't really understand what you're saying, they're ordered to remove the boulders and are being fined $850 a day AND risk further prosecution which are likely to be much more severe. Not OR. They don't get to keep paying $850 forever, they have to remove the boulders.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the capitalization should be on the word “RISK in that phrase. There are lots of delaying tactics. Let’s presume they’re going to have to pay. So why not spend the money (and then charge interest until they pay) and fix it now, rather than waiting weeks/months++? It’s in their best interests to delay as long as possible.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Yeah and I hope they do, I want to see them pay larger fines more than I want the stones moved.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is April 10th, and they say "remove the stones by 28 March or face civil or criminal prosecution". I didn't read anything about real repercussions, did you?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

According to the article above us, they're being forced to pay daily fines of $850 and may face prosecution. Given that the article is getting attention, the "may" part seems very much likely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It became popular during the pandemic when hiking surged in the area, and has also taken off on social media as a destination.

On one hand, fuck those rich people who live there. On the other hand, fuck those assholes that ruin places like this because they want to take pictures for social media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The courts agreed they have to remove the barriers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Of course, they didn't have the right to do that, and everyone has the right to visit the place. The problem is that when too many people visit somewhere, then it ruins the experience. It leads the place getting destroyed or permit lotteries.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

That sounds like a problem that would solve itself. The local area could invest in amenities and staff to keep it clean if they cared that much, probably be cheaper than the $850 daily fines plus future prosecutions on top of legal fees.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's a GOOD thing we don't TAX these Wealthy People! Otherwise they might have to give US access to the National Parks we paid for since they won't be able to Afford the Fines!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The courts will be fining these individuals unless the boulders are removed, it's already been decided on. So, to clarify, the mean taxation govment are the ones protecting people from the rich people in this situation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hear what you're saying, but the problem is that fines don't affect the rich the same way they do everyone else. It's not a level playing field.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They're ordered to remove the boulders even while they're paying the daily fines, so if they don't remove the boulders they're going to be looking at further prosecution.

Personally, I really hope they escalate things even further so they can charge them enough to expand education or other public services. I want to see more zeroes on the fines. IDGAF about cramming 10 people in some blue water pools.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mate the lawyers that live in those towns will eat the township's attempts at clawing any amount of money from these scum sucking parasites before their morning coffee cools down.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

LMAO they've literally already lost a court battle when the daily fines were decided, if they try to fight it again then the courts will be even less favourable out of spite.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Battles don't mean shit if there's no enforcement.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

You literally don't believe in the enforcement happening before your very eyes.