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Posting this article once again. The child labor issue in the U.S. is an immigration issue.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173697113/immigrant-child-labor-crisis
Were these minors immigrants? I don't know because the media isn't saying? Do I think they were? Yes I do.
The company is responsible for the death, you can't blame it on children
It's a shitty headline made worse by a deleted word in the post title. The firm was found responsible for the death in a separate incident at a different plant from the one where they were found employing minors.
So that means this firm is going to be looked at under a microscope, every business inspected in detail correct?
lol j/k they will get a tiny ass fine and go hire more kids.
Maybe this is just me, but aren't payroll taxes a thing? How do you "not know" someone isn't who they say they unless you're already paying people under the table.
Honestly, things like the I-9 and SS numbers are just not very secure and are only usually audited after the fact. Especially if the employer doesn't really care to look too hard at an ID.
The I-9 is just kept on file by the employer and only needs to be made available to ICE if requested. The only requirement of verification of identity with I-9 is the employer must examine the documents and they must reasonably appear genuine and reasonably appear to relate to the person.
So if anybody says the I-9 is to help reduce illegal employment it's not, it's there to pretend to help reduce illegal employment.
As for social security numbers. There is no security around the numbers besides just not telling people your number. The social security administration doesn't have time or personnel to double check payroll taxes.
Oh and lastly I'm sure the IRS secretly likes it when illegal immigrants are employed with a W-2. Illegal immigrants are never going to file their taxes they are too scared that somebody might notice. So they never get a refund it just becomes money in the bank for the government.
Just to continue my tirade a large portion of illegal immigrants in America are gainfully employed with a W-2. They pay taxes, they pay payroll taxes, sales tax when they buy things, fuel tax when they fuel their vehicle, and vicariously property taxes from whoever they are renting from. They never use government services, they are not getting food stamps, medical assistance, temporary funds for needy families, etc, and will never get a social security payout.
Anyway I'm going to go now before I keep typing.
Let's fight for legislation to make it okay to strip kids of youth in the name of profit...then act surprised when they get hurt. Assholes
A chicken trade group to which Mar-Jac belongs says it has “zero tolerance” for employing minors
Since they have zero tolerance for that. Car-Jac will be kicked out of the trade group right?
Right?
Let's abolish slaughterhouses and animal husbandry.
One of the worst sector for human exploitation and the worst for animal exploitation.
Stop endangering human mental and physical health by encouraging workers (often POC / immigrants) to unnecesaeily suffer. Go vegan.
Who do you think plants and harvests the crops? The ones that have to be done by hand and can't be done with a combine?
I voluntarily worked in tobacco as young as 10 because I wanted new NES games. Stripping tobacco under the table seemed pretty sweet at the time, there were some downsides in retrospect.
Most crops go into animal agriculture, not human consumption. Plant based diets use vastly less resources
It's true that plant based diets use fewer resources (inherently true because of net productivity works), but it's not what the parent comment is talking about. Fodder crops are not hand harvested. They're harvested with big machines as cheaply as possible. If you add another acre or 20 of barley to the world, there may not be a single additional person helping to harvest it.
The parent comment is drawing a contrast with human crops like tomatoes and strawberries that are typically harvested by backbreaking manual labor.
We should make this more spoken about honestly. I never hear people speaking about specific crops requiring more physical labor than others by strong varying amounts
I'm not sure if you're asking this as a pragmatic question or something else. If you mean pragmatic, we could encourage the use of finding alternative means of aquiring the veggies/fruit. Monoculture can also be potentially to be blamed here because it could lead to a gap in the amount of work in a work day depending on the crop you do. Having varied crops over acres could make work days much easier. Community small gardens and rooftop gardens for cities would help. Potentially the use of small-scale hydroponic systems, such as the Aerogarden, coule help. However I'm not sure of it's overall impact compared to soil grown. Tomato plants give off such an abudance of tomatos that from my experience sustain my tomato use for months, easily. Tomatos arent as important as like legumes or grains, which I'm guessing off of your comments, are easier to harvest. Grains and legumes have a lot more calories. But once again I'm not sure if I'm even answering your question the way you are intending
I'm not the one who posted the initial response, I'm just explaining what they meant.
Also, this isn't intended to be dismissive or insulting because I recognize that everyone comes from different backgrounds and experiences, but it's pretty widely known that different crops have different labor costs. Everyday is a chance to learn something new though. Here's a quick overview from UC Davis on the subject.
I'd also recommend the book Fresh Fruit, Broken Bodies if you want a more personal, on-the-ground understanding of (some of) the human costs of agriculture. Understand that no book can cover everything though and there's much worse costs than anything it covers.
None of this human cost is inherently related to concepts like monocropping either. Rather, they're related to the economic and political context agriculture exists in, especially how those impact current mechanisation capabilities. Harvesting things like cereals is so efficient in large part because of the huge demand from livestock agriculture for cheap feedstock to justify the development/purchase of things like combine harvesters.
Some crops aren't heavily mechanized though, and modern agriculture hires cheap laborers instead. These tend to be the expensive things at the grocery store for fairly obvious reasons, but not always. If you're buying Spanish produce in Europe (e.g. bell peppers), there's a reasonable chance it was harvested by migrant workers working under inhumane conditions in a greenhouse. Things like coconuts tend to have slavery and animal cruelty in their supply chains and that's the basis for a good chunk of cuisine in South Asia.
Another way to directly tie specific crops to their human costs is to look at the daily dead body reports by US border patrol. They tend to spike a couple weeks before/after certain crop harvests. Strawberries and tomatoes show up particularly strongly in this kind of analysis, which is why I mentioned them. You can also see the spikes from things like grapes, lettuce and beans.
That's hardly the only industry this happens in.
Yet another reason to go vegan. How many reasons y'all need? Is child murder not enough?