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Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Final Fantasy 16 and Foamstars all sold less than expected, Square Enix president says (www.videogameschronicle.com)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Kiryu also reportedly said the publisher was confident Final Fantasy 16 would be able to achieve its goal over its 18-month plan, and that while Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and Foamstars weren’t as much as expected, that didn’t mean they were bad."

Maybe stop setting insane expectations?

And you, consumer, stop buying these shitty micro transactions in these stupid games as service games.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This has been a thing with Squenix for over a decade.

The Tomb Raider reboot trilogy, too. The first one sold well so they upped the budget and then did a surprised Pikachu face when the sales didn't go up to match.

Their execs seem to think spending on production automatically means sales will go up to match, which is why their franchises have so oddly good production quality, even as the game ends up mediocre.

When I heard Rebirth would be "bigger and better and open world" I just went "here we go again".

Intergrade worked for a lot of people, but when shit works, Squenix just can't leave it alone. They immediately throw way too much money at it, scaling things up to the point they miss out on why something worked in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At least with Rebirth, it worked in terms of gameplay and has reached critical success, but their scale of how much more money it should make is just so insane. It's not a games as a service game and it isn't filled with micro transactions and not should it be. I just hope this doesn't cause them to start heading more into that direction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, it doesn't automatically result in atrocious games, either. The Tomb Raider games we'ren't bad, Deus Ex Mankind Divided was incredible, and recent Final Fantasy games have a ton of fans.

They just can't seem to understand that overspending past a certain point doesn't get you a more better game, and therefore more better sales. Whenever they hit a balance, they instantly overshoot thinking they can just "venture capital" their way to the big bucks the second something has a semblance of traction.

When they should be making more games, at medium budgets, they push for fewer games with bigger budgets, and then act surprised when all the eggs in one basket meant some of them cracked under the weight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I'd like to see new ips from them. Squinix still makes really solid games which is nice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Never heard of Foamstars but the FF games have no micro transactions. I also know the FF games will reach sales goals over time once more people get access to the PS5 or when they release PC ports. And I know several people who are waiting to play the FF7 remakes until all 3 games of the trilogy are released.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Sorry, meant that I don't want them to end up making these games to be full of micro transactions just so it hits insane profit goals.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If they didn't hate money, they would've dropped it on pc already.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yup! I don't have a PS5 but I'd have already bought it on Steam if it was out. Now since I have to wait anyway, I'll probably just wait for it to go on sale since the hype is gone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Same here, I've not heard any spoilers but the general concensus being it's largely underwhelming has stoked my patience.

If they drop it on pc, I'll grab it on sale... if not, oh well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I bought 16 on PS5 at release and it's definitely worth waiting for a sale. The combat is pretty great but I find the story pretty mediocre (although I haven't finished it yet) and the world is just so drab and full of predictable characters. This is Final Fantasy, give us some colour! In FFVI you could play as a Yeti teaming up with a girl who paints her enemies to death along with a guy who can suplex a train!

I've been enjoying FFVII Remake though, and planning to get Rebirth once I'm done with it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I've been taking a trip through some of these "love letters" to "classic JRPGS" and I've got to say... I'm absolutely on board with the way these indy devs are paying homage to the classics. Sea of Stars, Chained Echoes...hell, even the star ocean second story remake was a great nostalgia trip. I just started Eiyuden Chronicles Hundred Heroes and it's already got the makings of a solid game.

With a roster like that...who needs giant ass, bombastic, overpriced garbage? Give me a good story, loveable characters, and a journey that shows me what's over the next hill.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I have a PS5. Got FF7:Remake the minute it came out. Now I'm in a position where I want to play Rebirth so much I want to experience it on my best device, my PC.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And sensible regional pricing. 🤭

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Heresy lol

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's almost as if people don't want to buy their $500 exclusivity box.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Just wait a couple of years for their $700 Exclusivity Box 6 to come out with marginal graphics improvements, and oh by the way your old games are useless, but feel free to buy them again with sloppily upscaled textures.

If they time it right they can even release Overpriced Game Pt. 3 as an exclusive on the new box so you can never play them all on one system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

PS3 is the only Sony console not to have significant backwards compatibility support on newer lines of their product. PS2 played all PS1 games, 3 played all PS2 and PS1 games at first, then all PS1 games after redesign. PS5 plays all PS4 games. There’s no reason to believe PS6 or whatever won’t play PS5 and likely PS4 games also.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

On the bright side, I don't think we'll have to buy them again. We can play them with a Exclusivity Plus Ultra Platinum Day 0 Premium++ with Squenix 385/2 Materia Edition Subscription™️ for only $50 a month!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Huh maybe they shouldn't have attempted to make their customers pay 3 times to play one game.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah especially now that it's very clearly the game plan. It works when people aren't certain a PC port is coming but now that we know every PlayStation game gets a PC port, why bother?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I don't mind this personally. The world of FFVII is huge, and the remaster has so much more detail in it. It's not like the remasters are short games, expecting the entire FFVII story to be told in this kind of detail in one £50 box is kind of a big ask.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah that's not what they're doing with FFVII. These are three, very large, separate games. I'm nearly 100 hours into Rebirth and I'm probably about halfway through. Remake took me 80+, and the Intergrade was maybe 20 or so.

And not a moment of it has felt wasted or boring to me. Even the card game in Rebirth is incredible. I think they're maybe even making an irl card game out of it.

Maybe it's nostalgia as the original was a massive part of my childhood. But I love what they're doing and where they're going with the new series.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

But the original FF7 spanned three disks, why shouldn't the remaster?

!lol I got 2!<

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I'm just waiting for the Trilogy collection to be released and discounted to $60.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

I bought Remake on launch day. Haven't bought Rebirth yet. Not because I'm not interested, I'm very excited for it. It was mostly just because I don't have a PlayStation 5 yet. And money's been pretty tight for the last year or so.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This article is the most I've heard about Foamstars since it was announced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Only thing I gathered about Foamstars, around the time it appeared, is "yeah it sounds like Splatoon, but not really".

It's been so generally overlooked I don't even remember what was supposed to make it different. So yeah, that's a weak basis for any kind of interest.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would have bought 7 rebirth by now, but a full priced game is a bit of a lift for me ATM. 16 was really good, imo, and comfortably exceeded my expectations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

After XV, FFXVI FAR exceeded my expectations. I'd definitely put it as a top 5 Final Fantasy game, personally.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, 15 was a huge let down for me because I didn't take a college course on the lore and watch the movie and all that, so I just kinda went through it like "okay, and...?" And then the game ended.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The game had so many moments where I said "this seems like it should be a big deal". It turns out the moment was tied to the movie/show/DLC.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For me, XVI is the most narratively impressive game I've ever played.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's definitely among the best and most powerful narratives I've played through. Up there with Last of Us 1 and 2 (although I'd put it solidly 3rd, behind those two).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I bought FF7 rebirth without watching any videos of it, expecting an updated final fantasy game. What I got was a final fantasy themed dragons age. Refunded that shit after a half hour.