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The Chinese leader has flown out to South Africa for the summit but asked his commerce minister to read out his remarks.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Chinese President Xi Jinping unexpectedly pulled out of delivering a speech at the BRICS summit in South Africa - leading to speculation he might be unwell.

Bill Bishop, author of Sinocism, a popular newsletter about Chinese affairs, highlighted how there had already been a long period this month with Mr Xi not making any public appearances.

The China Global South Project, a podcast exploring the country's involvement in Africa, wrote: "To say [Xi's absence] is extraordinary is an understatement as Chinese leaders never miss highly choreographed events like this."

James Palmer, deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine, wrote: "The odds are very heavily that Xi Jinping just skipped that speech because he's sick."

Russian President Vladimir Putin has not attended the summit as he currently faces an arrest warrant for war crimes which was issued by the International Criminal Court.

The five BRICS countries are home to 40% of the world's population and responsible for more than 30% of global economic output, and more than 20 nations have applied to join, according to South African officials, including Saudi Arabia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Leaving Brazil, India, and South Africa to listen to putler...

Although, I guess Xi is still going to be there? Just not personally delivering a speech

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really don't know enough to know, but if all these countries that aren't really friends with the west but have been using the dollar stop doing so, what interest does the west have in maintaining trade? I understand China gained it's economic status because they were willing to do the labor and manufacturing the west didn't want to. Are they hoping that if the west stops buying their stuff the global south will buy enough to make up for it?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what interest does the west have in maintaining trade?

It's long been thought the only reason there's been no WWIII is because countries that don't necessarily like each other have created mutually beneficial trade deals together.

As long as the trade deals lead to better outcomes than war, these countries should maintain peace. For example, Australia recently purchased 8 advanced nuclear powered submarines for a cost of $368 billion. The main reason for the purchase is to protect their international trade routes from being shut down by China...who is their largest trading partner. Why would you spend so much money on military weapons to protect your trade with China, from China?? It's because Australia wants to ensure China knows keeping their trade deals running is the most beneficial option for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's long been thought the only reason there's been no WWIII is because countries that don't necessarily like each other have created mutually beneficial trade deals together.

And then Russia decided to go to war regardless. I'm not sure whether this has shown us that war prevention based on mutual trade is an illusion, or that Russian economic difficulties prove that it works. Maybe time will tell, but in any case I'm not sure the dead will be happy that Russia's economy will suffer.

I mean, it makes perfect sense that you're not going to start a war for economic reasons if it's worse than just trade, but what happens when someone decides that they want war for reasons other than economic. For example, country A has a lot of people with their main nationality in the bordering countries, and someone stirrs up nationalist sentiments and they want their country to ecompass all regions where their nationals live, regardless of economic benefits/drawbacks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Toxic ideologies. It's kind of crazy how they can drive countries to do things against their best self interest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They didn't intend for there to be a war. They fully expected to just walk in without much resistance, take over the country without much hassle similarly to how they took over Crimea, install a puppet government, and have the west barely react just as we haven't been reacting to their annexation of parts of Georgia, Crimea, and their conflict in Donbass for years

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Good explanation. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That makes sense thank you for explaining.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Here's a good podcast about US petro-dollars & how it impacts the world economy

[Congressional Dish] CD276: The Demise of Dollar Dominance #congressionalDish https://podcastaddict.com/congressional-dish/episode/159774687 via @PodcastAddict

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's a new Cold War. Quality of life matters less than being able to stick it to the other guy. For the Soviets, empty grocery stores and gray concrete block housing are tolerable if it means winning against the decadent West. The West had dumbass proxy wars of containment and abrogation of freedoms (HUAC, FBI bullshit).

I think we'll have trade but you'll see state intervention to boost alternatives in the respective spheres with a 3rd World (OG definition) in the middle.