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Report: Microsoft to face antitrust case over Teams (arstechnica.com)
submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 104 points 6 months ago (7 children)

They should face The Hague for how bad Teams is. Currently I have the "option" to switch to "Classic Teams" (which needed to be a separate application because fuck-knows-why) via a toggle. When I do, it launches Classic Teams and freezes, requires another 2FA approval, or both. Then, it later closes and auto-updates to "New" Teams and I get to do the whole process again. And New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U has stupid floaty notifications that take up too much space and annoy me.

Thank you for listening...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Teams also sets itself to autostart with Windows, even if you choose not to, or diabale it from the startup manager, it overrides it upon next launch.

It's the only software I've ever seen doing that crime against humanity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Programs that do that are straight up malware in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

They are malware

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Iirc support for Classic Teams was dropped in March (or earlier). New Teams is generally less buggy in my experience anyways, and I haven't yet found functionality its lacking. Not sure why you're still presented with the option to drop back, as I don't believe I've seen that toggle in a while

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s still supported under VDI environments which is why the toggle still exists at all.

Not the best rollout of a MS product but I give them credit for realizing that they needed to switch the underlying code base completely to be more efficient, and actually committing to it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh? It's not a bastardization of Skype for Business (which in turn was a bastardization of Lync) anymore?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Microsoft Team has always been a webapp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I think they were using electron and moved to webview2? They blogged about it a long while back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I figured it was EOL. But look for the option at the top and the toggle is there, in the current version!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Oh, don't worry. They're ending support for old teams soon. You won't have a choice anymore.

Not only are new teams notification banners annoying, new teams no longer makes a noise for every single notification, like it used to. I rather have a ding than a banner, especially since I tend to use all of my screen space.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

New notification, old notification, either way it auto-dismisses the system notification after 5 seconds. Why? I guess they don't trust the DE to manage notifications properly??

So my colleagues know if they send me a message I'll get to it when I'll get to it because I probably will have missed the notification.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's even the difference

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Honestly I’ve mostly noticed slight UI changes that are worse. Lmao the program seems to run better overall

Edit: it’s the spacing and location. It just feels like they left a lot of dead space instead of cutting that out. Oh. And the thing I hate. When you click on a conversation now it tunnels your vision to only that conversation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You can disable the banner, I disabled the banner and the dings on mine and just rely on the little red dot

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

I've had to repeatedly switcho "new teams". The selection isn't sticky for some reason. It seems like it shouldn't be that hard to develope a messaging app that does file transfers and meetings but apparently this bloated pile of horseshit proves reason wrong. A second long delay when changing threads? "You'll use it because corporate says you will...and you'll LOVE IT".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

My favorite part about New Teams is when it kept telling me I was forced to move from Old Teams to New Teams because our IT department was pushing the update. Cut to everyone in IT being confused as fuck because no they fucking weren't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

New Teams is about as successful as New Coke!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U

…& Knuckles?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can Teams please fuck off and take Outlook with it?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The only thing worse is New Outlook. They took away all of the power features and a good deal of the customization, and so you are left with something that feels like it was designed for a mobile app while you try to manage thousands of emails.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's literally their web app put in a Chrome window.

It's outrageous. The Mac version of Outlook is way better, and it's native!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Big-time disagree. Been using Windows and Mac versions of Office for over two decades. The Windows version is far superior in pretty much every metric I can think of.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Not the first time either. Office2004 Mac was ~~peak~~ the last time I remember not hating using any Office app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For now. That's also being killed in favor of the web app.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

its clear that eventually all the office apps will be web apps in either your browser or their own individual chromium instances. At least it means Linux users will finally get Microsoft office 🙃

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And they absolutely fucked years and years of security training by fucking with url previews and truncating the front of the url.

What the actual fuck were they thinking?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hadn't realized that change was in there. What a mess.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I probably wouldn't have either of my CISO didn't have to deal with it (and bitched at me to try to find a fix) because new outlook is just the shit mail app with a fresh coat of paint.

They'll have to take old outlook out of my cold dead hands.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I made the mistake of trying to mark 900 unread emails as read

do not do that if you're in a hurry

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Recently a LOT of my emails with hotmail have been getting blocked at the server level, they arent even reaching my junk mail, which makes troubleshooting why I'm not getting emails a nightmare, ESPECIALLY in this day and age if 2fA

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (1 children)

MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven't we seen this before?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I'm sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won't forget for decades because that's how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.

They've 100% forgotten all about that or think it won't happen again in the last few years, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Well of course not, ever since they got that deal with Uncle Sam they knew they could do anything up to Steve Ballmer kicking a secret service agent in the nuts and stealing the Football. Maybe even including that, won't know until it happens lol.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How about Edge!?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

No thanks, I'll stick with my unpatched IE 6 instead.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

Why do Microsoft have to welcome people to their software? Is it because they otherwise wouldn't feel welcome using it? :P

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

According to three people with knowledge of the move, the European Commission is pressing ahead with a formal charge sheet against the world’s most valuable listed tech company over concerns it is restricting competition in the sector.

Microsoft last month offered concessions as it sought to avoid regulatory action, including extending a plan to unbundle Teams from other software such as Office, not just in Europe but across the world.

The EU then issued a 561 million euro fine against Microsoft for failure to comply with a decision over the bundling of the Internet Explorer browser with its Windows operating system.

The company declined to comment but referred to an earlier statement that said it would “continue to engage with the commission, listen to concerns in the marketplace, and remain open to exploring pragmatic solutions that benefit both customers and developers in Europe.”

Microsoft is also part of a handful of tech companies, including Google and Meta, caught as “gatekeepers” under the new Digital Markets Act, meaning it has special responsibilities when trading in Europe.

The tech company has also faced complaints from European cloud computing providers that are concerned that Microsoft is abusing its dominant position in the sector to force users to buy its products and squashing competition from smaller start-ups in Europe.

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