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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

As there are so many posts about this topic and it's getting a bit out of hand, I'll create one central place where we can talk about this stuff and share updates.
If there are very big updates, I might create a new post as the new megathread but for now, please don't create new posts for updates but post them here as comments.

Latest news: AVROTROS (the Dutch broadcaster) released a statement. The full statement is in the comments but roughly, they state that against made agreements, Joost Klein was filmed directly after getting off the stage and getting to the greenroom. He indicated he didn't want to be filmed, but this was not respected, leading to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera, but he did not touch the camera women. This was the whole incident leading to the investigation by EBU and police, according to them.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is credible evidence that Joost Klein beheaded 40 babies and mass raped women.

Israel will release the evidence in 3 years. Until then Joost Klein will be suspended from every event.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'd put money on the EBU just champing at the bit for absolutely any news to divert attention from Israel.

Such a stupid decision over an action not only completely benign, but 100% justified, has to be intentional. They want us talking about this instead of something else.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The full statement just released by AVROTROS:

We have taken note of the disqualification by the EBU. AVROTROS finds the disqualification disproportionate and is shocked by the decision. We deeply regret this.

An incident occurred after last Thursday’s performance. Against clearly made agreements, Joost was filmed when he had just gotten off stage and had to rush to the greenroom. At that moment, Joost repeatedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed. This wasn’t respected. This led to a threatening movement from Joost towards the camera. Joost did not touch the camera woman. This incident was reported, followed by an investigation by the EBU and police.

Yesterday and today we consulted extensively with the EBU and proposed several solutions. Nevertheless, the EBU has still decided to disqualify Joost Klein. AVROTROS finds the penalty very heavy and disproportionate. We stand for good manners -let there be no misunderstanding about that- but in our view, an exclusion order is not proportional to this incident.

We are very disappointed and upset for the millions of fans who were so excited for tonight. What Joost brought to the Netherlands and Europe shouldn’t have ended this way.

AVROTROS

Thanks to @[email protected]

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Was he the only one who was not supposed to be filmed there, or were none of the contestants supposed to be filmed there? He seemed emotional at the end of his performance and I read about how the performance was dedicated to his late father and how he’d promised his dad he’d sing on the Eurovision stage someday. Was he supposed to not be filmed there so he could have a private space for those emotions? Because that would be really awful if the TV crew was insisting on recording that private moment.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Joost goes emotionally deep at the end of his performance and he needs time to recover when leaving the stage. After rehearsals the team had already discussed it with production team and it was agreed that he would not be filmed. Then on Thursday after the second semi-final, it happened anyway and he pushed the phone-camera away. Sources (in Dutch): https://www.nu.nl/308397/video/cornald-maas-woedend-over-diskwalificatie-joost-klein-fuck-de-ebu.html and https://www.nu.nl/308396/video/joost-klein-vroeg-cameravrouw-meerdere-keren-te-stoppen-met-filmen.html

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

This is the stupidest load of shit ever. Let the contest die. At least fire the main responsible EBU person. Waiting for that footage to support an instant disqualify without any sort of trial whatsoever, that better be some really bad stuff.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

So latest statement is he was harassed by camerapeople in an agreed-upon camera-free area, who persisted after several statements that he did not want to be filmed. Then he did not touch anyone but gestured threateningly, and was disqualified?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

EBU: We do not condone aggressive finger wagging. Offenders will be prosecuted.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Extra fun is how many sources originally talked about a physical confrontation

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

And emphasized it's a female crew member, as if that was relevant apart from letting people's imaginations run to the worst places.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Because there was so much emphasis on the person “assaulted” being a woman I was bracing for the worst.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I'm having a hard time what gesture someone could make it me that I would find threatening. All I can think of is sliding your finger over your throat and still I'd probably find it hilariously cringe rather than intimidating

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Starting to quickly move towards them with fists raised?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

It seems like they baited him to try to get him out.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Why did my thread, that was about Norway get locked?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah, sorry for the mistake and thanks for writing here
I just locked some posts to try and get the discussion in one place, but made a mistake. I unlocked it

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Overview of previous news that happened today:

  • Ireland was missing in today's rehearsal
  • Ireland, Switzerland and Greece were missing in today's flag parade rehearsal
  • Ireland, Switzerland and Greece were (are?) together with the EBU in crisis talks
  • The dutch broadcaster AVROTROS released a statement (originally posted by @[email protected], but I'll put that in a separate comment)
[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Original statement by the EBU on Joost's disqualification, to have it in here as well:

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Next year: bait main competitor for anything worthy of investigation. Disqualify competitor. ... Win.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Austrian commentator said at the end of tonight's broadcast that EBU needs to come up with a proper sanctions catalogue for such situations, in order to not enable anything like that

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