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Rulings question... "creatures get" modifier and cards that care about power/toughness when creatures enter the battefield (lemmy.ml)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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What happens when an opponent plays a creature if I have a Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite in play ("opponent's creatures get -2/-2") and my opponent has Pantlaza in play? Does Pantlaza get the trigger off the creature's original stats or off the number resulting from Elesh's reduction?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@bec pantlaza will see the creature enter under the effect of Elesh Norn.
"Creatures get" is a status effect that applies as long as a creature is on the battlefield. It doesn't trigger, it just is.
Compare this with an activated or triggered ability which goes on the stack and can be responded to.
Elesh Norn simply changes the rules of the game, so Pantlaza never gets the chance to see the bigger version of the creature

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Thanks! This was my understanding as well but wanted to make sure since I haven't got a chance to directly see it in action in Arena. Thanks for the help!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@bec remember 'creatures' only exist in play, every we here else they are 'creature cards'. This can be a handy way to remember that these effects care about the properties of the creature in play, not on the stack.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, yeah, I get that. Only had a small doubt about whether the -2/-2 from Elesh Norn would get priority over the triggered ability or the opposite would happen. Thanks for the reply!