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If you want communism, you can start a commune (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I see this way too often here on Lemmy, so I want to post this. Starting a commune is legal in most countries. If you believe in communism, you can found a commune and show us all how great it is.

You lack money? Well, that is literally what stock markets and venture capitalists (capitalism) are created to solve. If you are ready for an IPO, you can sell shares to raise funds. If you are not, you can get Venture Capital in exchange for shares until you are ready for an IPO.

Getting rid of capitalism means you need to find a different way to obtain funding for new ventures. And if your system relies on government charity (some government board handing you money) or taking resources violently, than your system sucks.

Edit: I don't mean that this is a replacement for full communist system. I mean this as a way to get some of the advantages while showing sceptics (like me) it can work and is better. A first step.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

If you want capitalism, you can start a capital.
If you want sexism, you can start a sex.

Go start a j.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep. That's a real shit post

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I haven't seen a true shitpost in a while. This one is great lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Larping lol. Communism can't work so people can pretend it does

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (13 children)

Did you just suggest selling the means of production to the bourgeoisie to fund a commune? I... what?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the core definition of communism: a small farm offering a delusion of independence, which is run within a capitalist system.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Putting the shit on shitpost, in a very unique way. I wish this was sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

OP, if there was a viable way of making communism work, some one would have done it already. And inb4 if external pressure and/or internal grinding makes your system collapse, then it does not work

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The thing is, it can only ever work if it is chosen voluntarily by every participant, and it requires that everyone be committed to relentlessly work on themselves to root out their own selfishness.

Marx was right in the sense that humans are by nature selfish, but but he was wrong in thinking that selfishness could be abolished by force. What past experiments have shown is that if communism is violently imposed (i.e. via revolution), people will just find other ways to be selfish. For instance, if hoarding wealth is impossible, but everyone’s income is guaranteed no matter what, people will simply try to find ways to work as little as possible.

There IS an example for where communism DOES work BTW, and that’s functional, healthy families. Think about it: since children are naturally weaker than adults, parents do have to work harder in order to provide them with food and education, but as the parents grow older and weaker, the children become stronger and more capable, so they can provide for their parents in their old age. It really is from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (22 children)

overall, i rate this post lmao/10. I wish i thought it was a joke.

Remember, OP: you are not immune to propoganda

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (8 children)

That's the thing, and it's by design: you can't begin to imagine anything different. Maybe this will help?

https://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If you want socialism, you start a social.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

If you want capitalism, you start a capital.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You're late, someone already commented this 😆

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well that's 9 iq points I'm never getting back

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

How do you feel about capitalism using violence to maintain itself?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Giving you a real answer, there are many barriers stopping people from making communes in capitalist nations. There are problems with land and property ownership, financial integration with the capitalist system, taxes, and pressures from anti-communists.

Communist nations, as compared to small local communes, have the advantage when it comes to resource allocation, bureaucracy, and stability due to scale.

Basically, starting a small commune isn't really that practical when you're surrounded by capitalism on all sides, and isn't really what people mean when they talk about a communist society. You can't really have the labor distribution, property, or means of production structures Marxists talk about without a central government at the scale of a nation.