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[-] [email protected] 143 points 3 weeks ago

Only US tech companies can harvest all that data from their products, I mean, customers.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

I mean let’s be honest, that’s slightly better than US companies plus the Chinese Communist Party being able to do so.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I'd much rather that data go to a government that isn't governing me!

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

They still can, they just have to go back to buying that data lmao

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Everybody Sucks Here

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[-] [email protected] 103 points 3 weeks ago

Here's Bernie Sanders from a year ago talking about how a handful of companies control the news people see, read, and hear. TL:DR - He makes the argument that it's not fake news, that journalists are usually hard-working and honest. He says the problem is the limitation of allowed discussion - what topics make it to the consumer. He says for instance that he's never asked about wealth and income inequality.

I believe TikTok is being banned because as it stands now it brings topics outside the limits of allowed discussion to a lot of eyes in ways US government/companies haven't proven able to control. If the issues justifying a potential ban were truly data security or mental health as some argue (not without merit mind you), then the legislation to address those issues would look a lot different and include companies like Meta, Google, Instagram, etc. Those are valid concerns but the new measure is clearly not designed around them.

Finally, we've seen how Trump can tie up the courts for months on end even after all his self-snitching. Thus I very much doubt we'll see any actual action in the 9 months + 3 months grace period laid out for the resolution of the TikTok matter. There are too many constitutional and business law challenges in my (admittedly layman's) reading of expert opinion.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

I believe TikTok is being banned because as it stands now it brings topics outside the limits of allowed discussion to a lot of eyes in ways US government/companies haven't proven able to control

I mean, if this were true, that would mean you wouldn't be able to find similar content on Western platforms. Are you really saying similar content isn't readily available on YouTube? If so, what content?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's a solid criticism and I upvoted. I hadn't thought about YouTube. Anecdotally I've had factual comments about how many kids are killed, what Israeli politicians say, etc. auto-moderated into oblivion on YouTube. But at the same time I get a lot of the facts I use from YouTube (basically never been on TikTok) so it holds water. I also get a lot of info from other sources, but I can't think of something specific I'd get from them that I could never find on YouTube.

In my defense, I'm basing my opinion on why TikTok is particularly targeted on interviews like this one with Ted Cruz. He talks about how TikTok is specifically designed to push messages that are harmful to America, including what he calls pro-Hamas content but I suspect is actually anti-Israeli policy, pro-Palestine content. That is why I would argue there's some evidence of a campaign against TikTok in particular that might skip over YouTube or other major platforms. Perhaps the Western powers feel that YouTube is still acceptably moderated towards their interests whereas TikTok isn't. Perhaps Google is just too influential domestically.

Edit: I found a video I was looking for: Biden talking about passing the TikTok/Israel funding/Ukraine funding package. A bit of language he uses that I think is telling is "it continues America’s leadership in the world and everyone knows it" which could signal US dominance as a motivation and thus TikTok as a target and not US companies.

That doesn't mean your point isn't worth discussion, or that my points aren't opinion. I'm interested to see how it develops. I've based my opinion on the conversations I can find and language used, but I'm open to adjusting my view if evidence prompts that.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think this ban is completely agnostic re: content. The issue is more fundamental -- it's fully owned and operated by people in China. This is a geopolitical battle that is currently playing out across many industries. Social media grabs headlines where less sexy industry battles do not.

I think Tom Nicholas gives a great overview.

Also, fuck Ted Cruz with a 20 inch dildo. Don't take anything that sniveling carcass has to say seriously.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

For one the YouTube algorithm is absolute dog shit compared to TT, which is literally the gold standard at this point.

If you haven't tried, you're seriously missing out. It's legit incredible how good it is. I hardly use it because I prefer long-form content (and don't honestly have much time) but I absolutely can respect what they created

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Western SM is already in the pocket of the state and any content that goes against their values is suppressed.

Pro-Palestinian content on Tiktok can easily get traction and receive over hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views.

Considering that younger people are not watching regular media news, channels like fox just do not have comparative reach and they aren't buying into the zionist propaganda like previous generations.

There are a lot of content creators who are articulate, succinct and organisation has come out of it. People have created sites & apps that list all corporations and products to boycott because of their support for Israel and it's had an impact.

Sure, TTs algorithm can easily push you down unpleasant rabbit holes but that's the nature of algorithms, not just specific to TT.

So there might be similar content on western SM but it's being held down and isn't showing on people feed 'organically'.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Kinda like the not-so-unsupported conspiracy theory that musk bought Twitter to silence protest coordination. That Twitter was too useful to the 'masses' and the "sinister cabal" (not my words) said it needed to be taken out.

To reiterate: this is not my position but it is one I've heard that matches the sentiment expressed in the parent comment

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What we certainly do know is that Musk bought twitter not to enable free speech, but to control speech according to his personal whims and beliefs.

I imagine the Saudi's went in with Musk on the twitter deal to also control and dilute unfavorable speech. The Saudi ruler is the guy that assassinated journalist Jamal Khashoggi on foreign soil because he wasn't exactly a team Saudi ruler kind of guy.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I 100% admit that my take on the TikTok ban is opinion based on the hearings and arguments + the scope of the bill, so you aren't being unfair. I have never heard that about the Twitter purchase - I had read it was a poor decision Musk made only half-seriously and then was basically forced to follow through with.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

TikTok is being banned for a bunch of different reasons all added together.

Republicans agreed to it, among the other reasons, because Democrats will get the blame for it and it will hurt Biden at the election.

Republicans and Democrats supported its ban because of sinophobia. It's a big, successful business in America, there's scaremongering around what data it's collecting or ways it could be used to manipulate people's opinions—ByteDance did not do itself any favours by coming out and telling all its American users to tell their Congresspeople to vote against this, which was spun as a demonstration of that power.

They also support the ban as part of an ongoing backlash against "big tech". Republicans are angry at big tech because they think it's too liberal. Democrats are angry at it for being addictive, abusing monopolistic powers, and other quite legitimate issues. The problem is that neither party is very good at actually dealing with the problem, so they just lash out wildly at whatever comes along that looks vaguely tech. Not realising that in this case, that will give way more power to Meta and Alphabet.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

I think the reason it's happening now is because of the growing protest movement against the genocide in Gaza.

All the other US media companies actively sensor pro-Palestine/anti-Israel content and TikTok doesn't. Unacceptable!

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with this. I think you're right.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

Idk why so many people assumed they would its a data gold mine even with the USA blocked

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if Tiktok will just make a seperate company that would comply before the 2025 ban comes to effect...

Or they will just exit the US market, interesting stuff.

I still think Glenn Greenwald views on this topic hold true.

"ByteDance doesn't have any plans to sell TikTok," the company posted on its official account on Toutiao, a social media platform it owns.

The sell-or-ban measure was signed into law by US President Joe Biden on Wednesday.

"We are confident and we will keep fighting for your rights in the courts," said TikTok boss Shou Zi Chew in a video posted on the platform this week.

"The facts, and the Constitution, are on our side... rest assured, we aren't going anywhere."

The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would "inevitably come back to bite the US".

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would "inevitably come back to bite the US".

The fundamental ethos of the US and its propaganda of why it's the greatest country on the planet is the first amendment and the current bunch are absolutely destroying that illusion in plain sight of younger generations.

They're sending billions for wars and to Israel supporting and assisting them in genocide yet are saying to the ones they expect to pay for it that there's no money for healthcare, infrastructure, education, welfare, raising minimum wage, etc, etc, et al, and then still demanding they should receive their votes "because the other guys much worse".

I see a lot of younger people saying that both are shit, that the system is rigged and they ain't playing their game anymore. That is tantamount to revolution.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This makes sense as there still billions of other potential users around the world. Add to that the fact that other nations like content of their own cultures in their own languages. It means even if they will feel the change the platform won't collapse because it is missing US users. Now If other countries follow in the US footsteps then it becomes a different story.

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