China now produces more chips domestically than it imports. (lemmy.ml)

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China's tech industry is thriving! They produced 3 billion chips daily, with a total output of 100 billion in Q1, up 40% YoY. March alone saw an impressive 28% jump to 36 billion units, driven by growth in NEVs and smartphones (17%). By 2027, China's global share of mature-process capacity is projected to rise from 31% to a staggering 39%.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/article/3259221/chinas-semiconductor-output-jumps-40-first-quarter-amid-growing-dominance-legacy-chips

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[-] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The title is misleading.

First, it is about old gen chips. Maybe 45nm+.

Second, the definition of IC/chip is quite broad. It can be very (relatively) simple one like a 555 timer IC to extra complicated MCU IC.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

How is that misleading, most chips in use are older chips. Bleeding edge chips are a tiny percent of overall global chip usage.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When normal people look at the title with "chips", they are most likely think of "computer chips". However, that's what not the article is about.

The use of the term is correct, and indeed chips are used in more places that most people doesn't think of. Still, it is misleading as it doesn't consider what most people think what "chip" is, bleeding edge or not.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When normal people look at the title with "chips", they are most likely think of "computer chips".

Congrats on winning the dumbest take I've read all day. Do only Intel i9-1490 count? Do you think that's what in production cars or something? FFS, the Z80 just now got retired and is still to this day used in common electronics. Also the title of the article says "semi-conductors".

[-] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

The power of those chips matters a great deal. If China is producing mostly chips supporting IoT devices, and its imports are computer chips of the Intel/AMD variety, it doesn't have nearly as much impact as the title implies.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe I'm not clear enough. It's not about what counts and what doesn't. It is about the initial interpretation. As I said, the use of term is correct. It is just when one read "chip", what kind of product/product category they will first think of.

For someone not fmailiar, they will say "complicated computer thing" where computer is maybe something they interact with daily like a PC or tablet or smartphone.

For someone following business news, they might think of NVIDIA or mobile processors due to news about export restrictions. Or rewind to the chip shotrage in 2020~2021, they might think of cars.

The interpretation of a term is shaped by information people gathered and absorb daily. This is something subjective.

Also the title of the article says "semi-conductors".

Apologies to the overlook but the same concept still applies. It may not be misleading here where people are more or less tech savvy, how about the audience of SCMP? Or people reach this post by search engine? We shouldn't imply everyone can interpret a term the same.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't interact daily with your car? Your tv? Your microwave? Your toothbrush? Your thermostat? AC? Literally fucking everything except one item in your house. And even most phones worldwide are not latest gen flagship phones. Most people don't even know what a GPU fucking is.

You're grasping at straws to make this fit your worldview buddy.

how about the audience of SCMP?

Like people who live in, I don't know Shenzhen? Yeah I'm sure they can't tell the difference. We all know Chinese are uneducated morons, am I right?

Holy crap, do you hear yourself talk?

[-] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You don't interact daily with your car? Your tv? Your microwave? Your toothbrush? Your thermostat? AC? Literally fucking everything except one item in your hiuse.

I do in some degree, but how often one will realized "oh, there is a chip right in there"? At least I get used to them so much that unless I really put my mind to it, I won't have that realization. To me that's second thought, not first. This applies to what I read and how I interpret. So does to others.

Like people who love in, I don't know Shenzhen? Yeah I'm sure they can't tell the difference. We all know Chinese and uneducated morons, am I right?

I can't quite grasp what you're talking.

All in all, I'm expressing that I determined that title is misleading. The process is simple: read the title, interpret what it ment, then the article, summarize it and compare it to the title and see how far apart the understanding is. If that's far, that's misleading. Done.

You can disagree and think otherwise. I prefer to use terms and expressions that anyone can get the point in their first thought. Clear?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

How is it missleading,when it doesnt claim they are latest gen chips? It's still a chip no matter how you spin it.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago

Any other source that's not biased?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

You mean sources biased in the way that fits with your own biases?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

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