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"It's time we grow up," says former moderator of jailbait subreddit.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I just commented on another similar article! His reasoning for this move contradicts itself! How can he claim that the overwhelming majority of users (97%) use the official Reddit app, but the use of 3rd party apps is destroying their bottom line? That means that that the lost profit from 3% of users are the reason for the API price change?

And… if there are only 4-5 big 3rd party apps (like Apollo, RIF), why force them out of the market? If only 3% of users use them, are they really that big of a deal? Why are the prices so astronomically high?

This is Reddit consolidating their empire. I hope that folks are prepared for future roll-outs of new subscriptions and reasons that Reddit users need to pay.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It makes so little sense to me. They could have charged a reasonable amount and made some money off of the apps, but instead, they chose to kill them and lose their users. Some might migrate to the official app, but this uproar may have caused even more to leave the platform entirely.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm honestly shocked the redditors are so blind to this. Do they actually think it'll just be plain sailing from here on out?

Maybe in just to old skool and remember a time when Reddit would have really stood up.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It absolutely will not be plain sailing - I think that the protest is an early warning sign. People that stick to Reddit are going to be bombarded with ads, Premium features, and new programs after Reddit goes public.

I am an Apollo user until the end - I think that after having such a good experience under Christian, I forgot how scummy a big corporation can be. Times are changing - we just saw some similar things with Musk taking over twitter.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well I had hoped, naiively that Reddit would respect the developer community that had helped make their website so popular. A community of developers provided apps and services for them for the simple price of a free API. I thought the APIpocolypse might happen, but I thought reddit was special somehow and they would see how beautiful and vibrant that community was and not damage it for fear of damaging the soul of the website. Yeah, that was pretty fucking naiive.

Ah well, I'll put my energy into Lemmy and Fediverse projects instead.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah well, I’ll put my energy into Lemmy and Fediverse projects instead.

I think this is a better place than Reddit already. It's fairly new and people are excited about creating content. But I think in reality, sooner or later every sub will be forced to open, and everything will go back to normal. Of course some of the users would've completely migrated to the Fediverse or other platforms, and it's up to us whether the Fediverse survives or not.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit felt like it was going downhill for a long time. I think I just started scrolling it out of habit, only participating in a few subs for hobbies and games. This shitshow was the kick in the ass I needed to shreddit and delete my account.

Also. I think more users need to do that. Make sure you shreddit your comments and posts so reddit can't keep your content.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's been pretty bad for a while now.

I used to go to reddit to learn something new, to see the news for the day, to find a cool new hobby or interest, to read deep discussions about topics that I didn't know that much about.

But that was like 8 or 9 years ago.

Lately the entire front page is doom bait, vaguely disguised racism, political trolling, violence, memes, and reposts.

I used to browse /r/all about half of the time and my subscribed subs the other half.

I muted serial reposters / content farmers whenever I noticed them, but this past year I hit a breaking point and I changed my default feed to subs only and intentionally chose to avoid /r/all.

Sucks that I'm going to lose my niche communities on reddit, but I've been a lot happier here so far.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. For guys like me who joined 16 years ago, it's felt like a steady decline for a decade already. This is just a convenient time to jump to another platform because others will join me.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thats a great word for it. Doom bait. I hated being surrounded by pessimism on that site

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A switch flipped somewhere to whenever i logged onto reddit I would leave feeling worse. It’s for the best that I stopped using it i think

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. Everything was so much more depressing. Maybe it was the subs I subscribed to but I felt it was more than that.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit got so big it's now the default, the masses are always looking for the simple default option.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

All capitalistic entities aim for a monopoly so they can fully dictate the terms to maximize their profit. I was actually only using the Reddit app and liked it, especially since the update. What I didn't like was banning anyhow good subs for thought crime and the forever lowering standard of content. Hell, I started getting soft porn in popular in spite of not opting into NSFW. The exodus to Lemmy gave me the perfect reason to fully commit to Lemmy. c:

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I fucking hate spez. Will never use reddit again

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

At this point this seems intentional. This has definitely pushed me away from Reddit and I’m already seeing a lot more meaningful conversations on Lemmy. All I ever saw on Reddit anyways is people just trying to one up each other on the comment threads for upvotes. Took a lot of scrolling to even get to people actually talking about the topic.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agree it's intentional. Normies don't care about any of this and will just follow the memes. Most of us here are the users that had ad blockers and probably didn't care about giving gold.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Giving and receiving gold was surprisingly, one of my least favourite things. Someone gave me gold once and i felt beholden to say thank you? I didnt ask for it, i didnt comment in hopes of getting given “gold”. I never gave anyone else gold. Why would i give a shit about getting it myself? Its a fucking forum.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

people just trying to one up each other on the comment threads for upvotes.

Here, have an upvote on me =D

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ramen, exactly 💯 this. Every time I wanted to see what commentary was on the post I would almost have to scroll to the bottom to get any talk about the actual post.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit OTOH was a good place to discover other things organically (not the enshittification attempt "other people liked that sub" interjections). But the only thing I miss is a way to group my subscriptions.

Currently Lemmy is getting up to speed, and the discussion quality has already started to drop; we'll see whether communities can police themselves.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm actually somewhat happy all this happened now. I'm sad for the 3rd party app devs and everyone who suffers from these decisions. And for the wonderful communities and knowledge bases that were shattered.

But I think it caused me, and many others, to realize that great community and discussions could still be had on the internet, and that we hadn't been having those for quite a while over on reddit.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of value in smaller scale too. Not everything needs to be mega-platform level for the mass market. We can have great communities in smaller spaces online too — sometimes even better as a result.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's expensive to run a company that constant wastes resources and is trying to grow beyond what it is.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I liked it better when they had one kind of Reddit Gold and displayed a progress bar on the homepage showing what percentage of daily operating costs were covered.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sentence 1: Really, only 3 percent of users are pissed about this; It's insignificant.

Sentence 2: These disruptions from 3rd party app supporters really hurt our bottom line. This is expensive!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Maximum cope

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's probably even more expensive to piss off any investors right before an IPO.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As CEO, I always like to go online and tell the whole world “we’re not profitable” right before my IPO. Big brain stuff, ya know.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think this is exactly why. It’s to make sure that Reddit is “shored up” from any profits leaking out, and making sure that NSFW content is locked down so that investors actually invest.

It sucks because it’s our posts, our comments, our information that makes Reddit what it is. This is simply preparation for advertising and other for-profit opportunities. Greedy.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It is, but pissing off the content creators (core of the business) is NOT the way to go.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

he moderated WHAT? So not only is he an idiot, he's a pedo? What a great image.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The fact that he was a mod on jailbait is kind of a distraction. It's funny in concept, but at the time, mods could just add anyone else as a mod instead of sending an invite to be a mod. So anyone could be assigned as a mod for an embarrassing subreddit.

There's some problematic power tripping mods and those incidents are the most visible, but probably >99% of mod actions are essentially unnoticed and just keeping subreddits relatively organized. And people were doing that for free. If reddit isn't profitable, then pissing off moderators that were doing work for free does not seem like a good approach.

I doubt he was targeting moderators directly, but that's what ended up happening in part.

Using the percentage of mods that use 3rd party apps is disingenuous (if that stat is even correct). There's probably tons of mods on low volume subreddits that don't need to do much and thus don't use the mod tools on 3rd party apps. But I bet the percent of mod actions that come through the API vs native is very different than counting it by mod that use the API vs native. As in, a small percentage of mods on big subreddits are probably doing a lot of moderation and they are probably using 3rd party apps at least part of the time.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

3% is bullshit. About 20% users use third party apps. Source: r/privatelife founder, and these are 12 month usage statistics.

However, this is also the most favourable scenario, being the largest authentic privacy subreddit not filled with Snowden/Assange dismissive mods. But it is around 20% rather than 3%.

Spez is now making up self contradictory nonsense and even attempting to create infighting between moderators from yesterday's statement he gave. Spez simply wants to leech off all the great content made by "guest bloggers" (a term old timers use) and all the unpaid moderation people have done. He is simply saying that the old relationship is over, and that all old users can fuck off, because new users are ready to consume an Instagram-ified official Reddit app with doomscrolling, chock filled with ads, a bloated UI and load of spying and tracking. Reddit also is astroturfed by US military teams, so that is tied into the reason why all Big Tech platforms are suddenly going hostile – to invent a new reality, devoid of any criticism against Western empire.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What it is Spez? How can people who use third party apps simultaneously be only 3% of the user base (I realize you proved he's wrong) and significant enough to ruin Reddit's profitability? Cause if you're going public and only three percent of your users can ruin Reddit's profitability you're in for a rough ride. Investors don't like too much risk.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

😂 fuck u/spez

I like the Fediverse and I think I’ll stay.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna be even more expensive to run a company that no one uses!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

it's expensive to run a company

well, congratulations - its your lucky day, steve! lemmy is here to relieve you of that onerous obligation. now don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I enjoy how he's still talking about this as if it's purely about having 3rd party apps pay a fee, not about his incredibly piss-poor handling of it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The irony is that at the fee they are charging, there is very little useful application for the API. So I doubt they will make much, if any, money from it. So they are just enraging and driving away their user base for a plan which won't work anyway. Unless the API was just costing them so much server time that they are getting massive cost reductions by closing it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I know right? I have no problem with a fee existing. It's the ridiculously high fee, and the complete BS he tried to feed everyone that really drive me away. It's only going to get worse. I hope lemmy gets big enough

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is why the fediverse is so great. It really is really expensive to run a social media company. By spreading the cost over many actors and encouraging competition, this allows us to host content without being beholden to billionares.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Its "expensive" because you want to raise millions from investors so you can cash out and fuck over your employees and customers. The excuses they come up with are becoming more pathetic.

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