now convince christians of this
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I've always said that early christians were practicing Anarchists. The irony is Christians love to lionize the early church, but getting them to practice that is completely impossible.
Guess why
They won't commit class suicide even when Jesus asks them to
Matthew 19
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven; then come and follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he was very rich.
23 Jesus then said to his disciples, “I assure you: it will be very hard for rich people to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Jesus also gives instructions for agitation:
8 These were his instructions: “Take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in your belts.
9 Wear sandals but not an extra shirt.
10 Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town.
11 And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”
12 They went out and preached that people should repent.
13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.
the gospel of mark (haven't gotten around to reading the others yet) gives me a lot of impressions of a jewish proto-nationalist struggle against rome, but then mystified and distorted by 1. people from outside the context misinterpreting stuff and 2. the empire itself adopting and coopting the movement (or the movement selling out)
There's a neat sorta process of
"jesus inspired to preach (which, in historical context is equivilant to agitation)"
"jesus starts preaching literally about the corruption of judean society and the temple"
"jesus gets his ass beat by locals for telling them they're sinful"
"jesus starts preaching in parables so he doesn't get his ass beat"
"jesus builds movement and explains things literally to the apostles, but continues parableing in his preaching"
"jesus does mutual aid, healing people of physical and mental ailments (not curing imo, but alleviating symptoms (psychologically or literally with oil))"
"jesus confronts the demon legion (which is many)"
"jesus goes to jerusalem, intending to agitate more and die as a matyr to incite rebellion"
"jesus's followers abandon him and it all falls apart"
30 year break until the actual attempted revolution
"some guy remembers jesus's ideas (sees visions) and thinks "the rebellion would work if the whole roman empire rose up instead of just judea""
"starts spreading faith to non-jews"
which leads varying religious/cultural ideas being taken literally, misinterpreted and morphed until apocalypse means "the literal end of existence" instead of "the collapse of the existing social order" and jesus is turned into literally god, when in all likelihood he was preaching more or less what isiah or jeremiah did
until apocalypse means "the literal end of existence" instead of "the collapse of the existing social order"
The literal Greek translation is just "disclosure," "uncovering," or "revelation" [of something previously hidden]. It's very likely that it was meant in the sense you said--a revelation of the rot at the heart of society. Early millenarian Christians always predicting the apocalypse has a lot of parallels with Q-Anon weirdos constantly predicting The Storm. It's basically the same idea.
Christians love to lionize the early church
Not the first time the early church got lion-ized
I grew up in an evangelical household. The argument I've gotten in return is that they weren't "forced", people have to offer in charity, welfare is evil because it forces it.
So instead we design a society that rewards shitty greed and self centered actions. I'm sure God loves it.
Unforced until God strikes you dead for being a selfish capitalist.
Makes me really thankful I was raised with christianity that was more in line with this thinking than most strains of christianity. Shit like prosperity gospel is unironic heresy
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died.
Ananias and Sapphira is my 100% favorite part of the Bible.
I love it when petty bourgeois traitors to the revolution are executed by God after a struggle session.
I'd love for somebody at a Christian HOA respond to the biblical notion that the "believers share their possessions". But then again - their answer would probably be very boring. I bet they'd say bland like modern America is different from biblical times in the Holy Land. But they give their used clothes to the Salvation Army so that's kind of the same thing.
"Believers share their possessions, which is why you have to mow your lawn to keep up other people's property value"
HOA 3:16 "A mowed lawn is next to godliness."
HOA 3:16 says I just mowed your grass
Based on what?
Based on love, comrade
Blessed and salvation pilled 
Pope's are like: "Oh, yeah, we're still doing this...everyone gave us the money, but wouldn't you know it, we haven't found anyone with more need than a small handful of church officials to distribute it to."
An economy managed by a small group of men who profess to be guided by the same principles... that's still an oligarchy.
If you want to call it an economy... that would also make Hexbear an oligarchy.
An economy managed by a small group of men who profess to be guided by the same principles... that's still an oligarchy.
Wdym, they're not even leading a whole region's economy, let alone society, during that time....?
one person making all the decisions is a dictatorship, so having free will is authoritarian
Legit actual Christians are pretty based.