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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Do you guys see a difference morally? Why or why not?

Educational - Science, Non-fiction books, Online courses, etc.

Entertainment - Games, Movies + TV, Fiction books, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I see no difference. Takes time and effort to write the standard book on electronics and also takes time and effort to produce the new scifi tv series. Both are (different) jobs but I don't think there is a difference if I pirate one or the other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so do you think it's a good or bad thing to be pirating these things?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Uh. That's a complicated question. I mean if I were to pirate something instead of buying it... It'd be obviously good for me and bad for the creator. But that question really is a can of worms. I don't think there is a single, simple yes/no answer to that. Personally I'm leaning more to the "Robin Hood" approach. I'd have less issues taking and copying a multi million dollar hollywood production than doing the same to a small and independent creator. But in practice I might have done both. Copied the textbook my electric engineering professor wrote and downloaded the Lord of the Rings TV series... But I myself also make sure to regularly pay for stuff if I can.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Immoral piracy is the killing of the crew during the hijacking of a ship. There is no moral dilemma in downloading anything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Educational piracy is even more justified. Knowledge should never be paywalled.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Entertainment companies are morally bankrupt because of how much they take from the people actually doing work to give to CEOs. I don't care if people get that content for free since nearly none of the revenue will go towards the creators. But they are at least somewhat reimbursing the labor that goes into the content.

The academic journals do not do any work whatsoever and charge absolutely absurd prices for access. They get free peer review from the community, they certainly don't write any of the content. It is a moral imperative to prevent them from profiting off of other people's work. Hope they lose all their ill-gotten gains.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

When I was poor, I pirated a lot of games, played them and then spread the word.
I can say and do believe I helped sales and increasing popularity.

It's not just a pat on the back. My recommendations had others play games they'd never even heard of and in turn recommended them to others.

Of course, now that I can afford some games and no longer play them at launch, I just stick to "Grab them on a sale! It's worth it at a smaller price!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think pirating educational materials is less morally bad than pirating entertainment.

College textbooks, for example, are insanely expensive. I once paid like $300 for a single chemistry book. I never made that mistake again. Not because I pirated; I just started buying used or past editions. It's not like chemistry for a 100 level class is cutting edge stuff. It's the same ideas and knowledge we've had for decades or a hundred or hundreds of years. It's all public knowledge at this point.

But you may need the book to do readings and assignments. So if you can't afford the book, even used or past editions, then it makes sense to turn to piracy. I would sometimes grab the library reference copy of a textbook and just go crazy with a copy machine. That might technically still be piracy.

Entertainment, on the other hand, isn't really required at all. So to me, that's worse.

That all said, 99% of the stuff I've pirated is entertainment. My immorality is only bounded by the size of my SSDs!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Entertainment, on the other hand, isn't really required at all.

That's false and also has been a known fact for centuries, if not millennia. People need food, shelter and entertainment, in that order.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Get hdd for saving data my pirate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I believe that information and knowledge should be free anyways (at least in a perfect world), because that leads to the betterment of society. Also if you are able to use the knowledge you learn from the things you pirate I think you’ll be able to come back and support those things that got you to where you are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why entertainment is a luxury, knowledge and education is basically what human civilization is built upon and should be free. Of course the reality is that people need money in the current system we live in and we have to reward those somehow who dedicates their time and efforts to education.

So I've arrived to a conundrum... Because I think morally it's more acceptable to pirate educational content (imho), but I'm also more likely to pay the educators, as it is a very important job. Of course this does not apply to when someone just gatekeeps knowledge because of greed, it's very similar to charity fraud in my book

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Why entertainment is a luxury, knowledge and education is basically what human civilization is built upon and should be free.

I think entertainment has the same cultural value as knowledge and education. They both inform us on how we view the world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I just label entertainment as a form culture and avoid the dichotomy altogether!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's all food for the mind. And The Jesus had some very compelling views on the morality of copy/pasting food until everybody was fed. CC0

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

When knowledge is deliberately gated by large entities and the author would give it away for free (scientific papers) is a no-brainer for me. Or when a course requires specific textbooks that costs hundreds of dollars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

If i paid for every required college textbook I would be broke. I'm already broke now, but that's a different story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No difference imo

I think most would much rather screw the middleman (Subscription services, publishers, etc) pirate the material, and then send money directly to the creator if they like them.

I don’t like that these businesses can tell you that you’re gonna get something but hide the actual pertinent details like:

  • no refunds
  • the game isn’t even completed and you’ll have to buy DLC to see the rest
  • big streaming company offers this resolution and bitrate but what we don’t tell you is that we don’t guarantee that for every device

People have no problem buying an item as it’s marketed, but when you start fucking with and scamming/tricking consumers is when you really kick the fucking hornets nest.

I’ve also seen others mention that sometimes pirating the material meant more freedom with the content they now own a copy of. With 3rd party self hosted streaming services you can do cool things like watch stuff with your friends, watch stuff when you’re away from home, etc.

There used to be a time prior to throw away consumerism where you bought something and it was yours. You buy a painting? It’s yours to resell. Buy a record? Play it with some friends or sell that too.

A long time ago these greedy piggy middleman stepped in and started inflating with bullshit tactics like reducing your degrees of freedom with your newly owned product.

They want you to believe in this new world where you don’t get physical anything, everything’s restricted, milked until bleeding, leaving everyone wondering why everything “sucks” all of a sudden.

Cough cough, tv, movies, games rn unless made my smaller studios

I’ve got an interesting book for you!

How Music Got Free (nonfic piece about 90s-early 2000s piracy)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I don't really see an issue either way. I think we all try to justify piracy in our own ways, and ultimately, people either take a black and white stance or some shade of grey.

In my personal opinion, I try not to pirate things from small creators. When I do pirate, I usually end up supporting them in some other way, shape, or form.

Educational material I think should be free or very cheap. Education should be available to everyone regardless of their social or economic status. Those textbooks that those publishing companies charge hundreds of dollars for are a prime example. The companies are leeches.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I never buy any of the content but I do enjoy consuming content thus from a utilitarianistic point of view, piracy is a moral choice for me. Joking aside, if you can pay for things without a strong financial burden, you should pay.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Anyone should be able to download anything for free, in an ideal world. We don't live in that world, so I download what I need/want, and pay the creators if I can afford it, in order of how high quality the content was.

That said, I don't pirate applications, simply because I don't trust running the code from a random source on my computer. There are FOSS alternatives for all productivity software (except for DAWs, and REAPER has a free 'trial'), games I generally buy on sale, except for Geometry Dash for Android, which I downloaded the apk for since 1) it's Android, which is apparently more secure than Linux, and 2) It seemed to have removed from the Google Play Store, or Aurora, or something, and I'd already bought the Steam and iOS versions of the game.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In the same way that macOS is Unix.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Android uses the Linux kernel. macOS does not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but if it doesn't have any of the good features of Linux like root or, you know, actual control over your device, does it matter?