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The Android developer just published an updated landing page for Google Messages, showing off key features ranging from customization, privacy and security, and, of course, AI.

On this landing page, there are different sections for each feature set, including one for RCS. As spotted by 9to5Google, if you expand this list of RCS features and scroll to the bottom, you see a section on "Coming soon on iOS: Better messaging for all." That's no surprise: We've known Apple was adopting RCS since November. However, it's the next line that brings the news: "Apple has announced it will be adopting RCS in the fall of 2024."

Of course, this does not say a lot as it is "in the fall" which is anywhere over a couple of months, and Google has tried to embarrass Apple into making moves before. I suppose, though, there is the looming court case against Apple which is anyway keeping pressure on Apple. If it were not for the US court case, I would have guessed Apple may have pulled out after the EU had ruled Apple was not a dominant player in the market (although the EU case was looking more at interoperability with WhatsApp and others in Apple Messages).

Of course, with Apple actually including RCS now, they can probably argue that there is interoperability via RCS between their platform and Android too. It must be remembered that in many countries, like mine, SMS's are paid for so are very expensive to use for any form of chatting, and the costs go up exponentially when you text an international number.

I personally have quite a few issues with interoperability with Apple:

  • I still have AirTags from when I had an iPhone and I daily get the audio beeps warning me the AirTags are not connected (I use an Android phone and alternate between an iPad and an Android tablet)
  • I can't wait to sell my AirTags and get the new one's Google was working on that will interoperate with Apple, but supposedly Apple has been delaying building in that support into their devices (which Google already built into Android for AirTags in 2023)
  • Because I was on Apple Messages and my iPad still sometimes connects, I find a message on my iPad that arrived a week ago which I had not seen (I had Beeper which was solving this problem)

Apple is not at all dominant outside the USA, but it makes interacting with Apple users quite a pain, as Apple has gone out of their way to try to keep their users inside the walled garden.

See https://lifehacker.com/tech/google-just-revealed-when-apple-will-officially-adopt-rcs

#technology #RCS #Apple #interoperability

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Watch them be pee-yellow bubbles or something, but still not blue, lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I hate that so much but you're probably right 😅

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Maybe teal or cyan (green + blue) 😉

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Don't give them ideas

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Light gray bubbles, white text

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

So basically what everyone predicted when Apple said it would occur in 2024.

Major new features are always in the n.0.0 fall releases. No way this was going to be bundled with a late in life iOS 17 bug and security update.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Fall of 20xx" is when Apple usually releases new versions of iOS, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that iOS18 will be the release.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

modern features like E2EE

This is false. E2EE is not part of the spec. It's just a feature of Google's implementation, which Apple will absolutely not be using.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it's ironic with all this that Google fi messages on Android still doesn't support rcs without losing a bunch of other features

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What messaging app are you using, because I've been using RCS messaging for the past 5 years on Fi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Google messages. Here is the support article on the tradeoffs: https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6188337

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So is this going to be standard RCS, which has no encryption and the telcos need to support, or the Googlified version that does E2E encryption but requires storing keys on Google’s servers?

RCS has interoperability issues itself and Google hasn’t been making the situation better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Apple is apparently working on getting encryption added to the standard

In a background briefing with reporters, Apple spokespeople touted the company's recent announcement that it will support the RCS messaging standard for iMessage sometime during 2024. In order to attend Apple's briefing and view a background document, we had to agree to paraphrase the company's remarks instead of quoting them directly.

Apple clarified that it is not implementing RCS as it exists today because it doesn't believe the standard offers enough privacy and security. Apple said it is working with a standards body—this is likely a reference to the GSMA—to ensure that the version of RCS it eventually implements will support encryption and strong privacy and security.

Apple said that once it adopts RCS, iPhone and non-iPhone users will be able to exchange messages with higher-resolution photos and videos, and will experience improved group texting. Apple said it hasn't brought its own message app to non-Apple devices because the user experience wouldn't meet the company's standards and that it cannot ensure that a third-party device's encryption and authentication are secure enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I suspected this is what was going on because of the way some of the documents were worded, but I can’t find any direct reference to it. Do you have any? Re: storing encryption keys on google’s servers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Apple is not at all dominant outside the USA

Depends on the country. iOS has over 50% of the mobile market in more nations than you might realize. This is especially true for English speaking countries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-market-share-by-country

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Google didnt reveal anything officially. This was probably a mistake because the info is gone from website: https://www.android.com/google-messages/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Hence word "official" not being mentioned. As I recall it was spotted in the code.