the_dunk_tank

This will be the most important election in the history of the united states. You have two choices, Dictator, or Democracy. A no vote is a vote AGAINST Democracy.

you'd think after a few decades they'd have gotten tired of regurgitating this lie

I like Biden and Harris and agree. They are the better choice by a wide margin. They’ve accomplished more in 3 years than decades worth of predecessors combined. Outstanding, really.

liberals actually believe this.

I really don’t see the point in voting when the executive and legislative branches are bought and paid for with candidates I don’t approve of.

Bernie Sanders’ constituents are incredibly fortunate. The candidates available for my districts oppose socialized medicine, returning stock market regulations (e.g. outlawing stock buybacks), and the 32 hour workweek mandate.

When I have someone I can vote for, then I’ll vote. Otherwise fuck it, waste of my time.

And we get Trump again because of idiots like you. THAT is why you vote: to prevent a fucking fascist from getting elected.

heh, american democracy is failing you? that's YOUR fault, bucko

Do I hate the two party system? Yes. Do I hate the fact that centrists like Joe Liberman who literally killed universal healthcare in the US are revered and embraced by Biden’s party? Yes. Do I hate the fact that Democrats are always dismissive of liberal ideas and often act like complete jackasses and can’t admit that when Obama was running there were a ton of Clinton supporters that didn’t vote for Obama in a blatant act of pure hypocrisy? Yes.
Do I fucking hate Nazis and Fascist? Fuck yes.
Hence why even if I don’t like the Democrat running, I’ll vote for them and honestly, Biden isn’t too sucktastic. Except for kyrsten sinema, she can fuck right the hell off forever.

biden may be commiting a genocide, failing to protect women's reproductive rights, and allowing companies to ridiculously increase grocery prices... but he really isn't that bad!

there are some decent comments from lemmy.ml users, including this one:

I’m a trans person. Here’s what I’m most concerned about: the dehumanization of Palestinians and immigrants. Biden has gone along 100% with the dehumanization of these groups

how the fuck am I supposed to trust Democrats that claim to support trans people when this is how they support Palestine? This is a president thats supporting an ongoing genocide while persuing draconian immigration policies. Am I supposed to just throw those groups under the bus for my own personal gain?

You’ve made it abundantly clear that if Biden was pushing anti-trans policies, you’d still support him. You’ve made it clear there is absolutely nothing Biden could do that would lose your support.

People need to understand that it’s possible to vote against genocide.

No, it doesn’t matter that he’s an active participant in the apparatus that’s creating the genocide, because if he’s in office there’s less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstaining from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the ammount of genocide.

The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. I live in a solid blue state, so I reserve the right to vote third party, but I will also encourage other people to vote for Biden.

You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it’s not a bad idea.

db0 continues to prove itself to be full of libs

fuckin' 99% hitler bullshit

(though another db0 user does make a rebuttal)

The endgame of your utility calculation is genocidal. 30 years from now, I suspect you’ll still be blasting this “vote blue no matter who” nonsense when the choice is between a dem supporting 5 genocides and a repub supporting 10 genocides. You’ve been anchor biased hard as fuck.

Step 1: defeat Trump Step 2: help reshape Democratic party

Because the fact is, if we don’t do step 1 first, we’ll have our work cut out for us the next four or more years just being back in ‘The Resistance’. Which you know isn’t going to make the Dems more liberal, it’s going to pull them to the right as more dissatisfied Trump voters finally peel off.

On the other hand, the more resounding of a defeat we can dish out to the GQP and MAGA, the easier it will be to send them into the wilderness to regroup politically so we can focus all of our energies on the Democratic party.

Except step one is repeated every. damn. time.

Its never time to reshape the Democratic Party. If the democrats win, it will be too early to fix the Democratic Party for millions of reasons. And four years pass and every campaign promise is ignored, and all of a sudden it’s back to 1. Beat the new threat to “democracy” 2. Fix the Democratic Party… ad nauseam forever.

funny to see these kinds of exchanges happening between .world users. tankies having a presence in these spaces really makes a difference

I’m voting for the people I most like on the ballot. Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?

No, not in FPTP. You vote for the candidate who you least disagree with out of those with a reasonable chance of victory, or you waste your vote.

american democracy, everyone!