Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
this post was submitted on 16 Aug 2023
285 points (96.1% liked)
politics
19120 readers
2414 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
From the horses mouth, so to speak:
https://pap.georgia.gov/parole-consideration/pardons-restoration-rights
To qualify for a Pardon for offenses other than sex offenses which require you to be listed on Georgia’s Sex Offender Registry:
● You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying.
● You must have lived a law-abiding life during the five (5) years prior to applying.
● You cannot have any pending charges.
● All fines must be paid in full.
So basically you can’t get a pardon for a trumped up life sentence until 5 years after you die?
Something tells me they were thinking about a VERY SPECIFIC demographic when they wrote those laws and they never imagined THIS PARTICULAR VERY SPECIFIC demographic would be held to the same kind of standard.
Up until 2019, South Carolina elected it's national guard general. They passed that law in 1886, you know, just in case someone from a demographic that's very specific, was appointed by the governor who could potentially be of the same demographic.
Being racist sounds like it's utterly exhausting.
So basically you can’t get a pardon for a trumped up life sentence until 5 years after you die?
That would have to be correct, although it is the Pardon and Parole Board, so there may be some other definition for "completed all sentence(s)" which would consider having gotten parole as a completion of the prison sentence.
Still, I remain confused about the purpose of GA laws around pardon. You've already served your sentence, receiving a pardon means you admit guilt (does it? in Georgia?) - so what even is the point of a pardon in GA?
Dunno about this particular cicumstance but up here in canada land, when you seek a pardon it expunges your criminal record except in the case where you re-offend, allowing folks who have served their time to reintegrate into the work force. There are caveats to this but in general this is the role pardon serves up here.
It a good system. Wish it was more automatic on non violent crimes.
Basically your criminal record is hidden at some point and only becomes a factor in future sentencing should you choose to commit a crime. It is quite a deterrent without saddling someone with a criminal record.
Agreed. The Leopard Ate His Orange Face.
The leapards might get indigestion on that one.
You're 100% right.
I think there's a few things to unpack that I find a bit personally conflicting. Firstly, I like the idea that in a world with perfect justice systems you can formally forgive someone for what they did. However, where it falls short is that once your sentence has been served there should be no further penalty from society (even though we know there is via job discrimination at a minimum).
What I also like is that there is a board to ensure pardons don't occur for cronies. Trump had examples, as did Clinton, among others. I think it could be a suitable if an executive has the power and the board can overturn.
What's distressing is your points, because justice is not perfect. What relief does someone have from an unjust law or malicious prosecution?
While this is true, I absolutely believe that there are people who are scheming out ways to change this [regulation / law / policy / whatever].
the establishment of the state board of pardons and paroles, and its duties, are part of the state constitution (art iv, sec ii). the bit about them only being able to act after conviction is, also. the rest (except regarding violent offenders. life sentences, etc) is only policy or legislative and absolutely a target.
And it absolutely should be, it's a horrendous law that was implemented for racial subjugation, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy the schadenfreude of watching the traitorous orange get fucked by old racist laws.