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The Tennessee Senate has passed a bill targeting "chemtrails."

SB 2691/HB 2063, sponsored by Rep. Monty Fritts, R-Kingston, and Sen. Steve Southerland, R-Morristown, passed in the Senate on Monday. The bill has yet to advance in the House.

The bill claims it is "documented the federal government or other entities acting on the federal government's behalf or at the federal government's request may conduct geoengineering experiments by intentionally dispersing chemicals into the atmosphere, and those activities may occur within the State of Tennessee," according to the bill.

The legislation would ban the practice in Tennessee.

"The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited," the bill reads.

The bill is scheduled to go to the House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee on Wednesday.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

"The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited," the bill reads.

Gonna look dumb later when they need cloud seeding for a drop of rain.

Or when somebody applies the law to CO2 or methane and finds an express purpose.

Or if we come up with a remotely feasible sunlight solution for warming. But I think that’s their point isn’t it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This is how I see it backfiring.

Federal gov: we hereby formally request that the motorists of the great state of Tennessee drive their motor vehicles in order to release CO2 and other chemicals into the atmosphere for the express purpose of changing the temperature in Tennessee.

Oops, all motor vehicles are now banned in Tennessee.

Edit: also banned are parasols and air conditioners as they're both an apparatus with the express purpose of affecting temperature

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm wondering if this could actually be applied to things like crop-dusting, as it does temporarily affect the intensity of sunlight. The same might be true of any airplanes flying over the state -- oops that airliner obscured the sun for a moment and their flight path was intentional. It would be hilarious if all airlines suspended flights "just in case".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol.

But the bill says it's only illegal if the intent was to impact weather or whatever. Would still be funny though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but "intent" doesn't seem like it is clearly defined? It's like all these damn anti-abortion laws -- nobody "intends" to have a miscarriage and yet the lawmakers made sure that women can still be prosecuted for it. Funny how they didn't leave any loopholes to prosecute the men who were just as guilty. Shitty laws like this always make sure to leave some wiggle room so they can go after anyone who they randomly decide needs prosecuted, but hopefully this whole things slaps them in the face like the book bans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, it's a stupid bill. I hope it fails in their legislature or backfires.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

There's also the reverse: the bill doesn't actually ban chemtrails. It bans dispersing chemicals for purposes of altering the weather. If they are dispersed for purposes of controlling people's minds, they slip right past this bill.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Anyone rolling coal with one of these (or similar) bumper stickers directly violates this law.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I mean, it ticks every box and doesn't mention aircraft

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. This bill is a Trojan horse to solidify the effects of global warming so that the rich and elite can leave the planet and the rest of us behind to burn and rot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is so explicitly evil that it sounds too ridiculous to be true. But I'm far too familiar with capitalists and the republican party to say it's definitely not true.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That was just a best guess, I’m not saying thats fact or anything but

Kinda seems to be the gig? Rich people don’t like other not rich people. Their lives are too different. If they can automate most of their shit and rope in enough socially inept super geniuses to follow their path, what’s to stop them from succeeding with their friends and maybe some heavily devoted slaves to boot?

They always come up with these wild ass stories about democrats and their master plans for the world but I really really think the fucks are projecting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Nah, you're absolutely barking up the right tree. We have some real supervillains out there. Can't trust em, but we can eat em.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So if anyone wants to use “chemicals” to try and do anything corrective for the environment, this bill will also stop them.

Classic 2 faced republican bill.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There's nothing two-faced about it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

If the Tennessee Senate’s goal was to waste 45 seconds of my life, mission accomplished.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Summary reads as something that bans cloud seeding, which is a real thing, and not the same thing as chemtrails which is a made up conspiracy theory about intentionally spreading toxic chemicals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I mean they have a right to ban cloud seeding I guess

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I'm not sure because "chemtrails" don't fucking exist: It's an insane conspiracy theory spouted by idiots who don't understand what contrails are or why they form.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Just because they don't exist doesn't mean they won't look in the sky and see a condensation trail Coming from a jet liner and start throwing fines at people.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Chemtrails are the mind control drugs. This is banning cloud seeding which is actually being performed in some locales.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With this language, it's banning way more than that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

What else is actually being done now thats banned by this? Or is this just preemptive banning of technocrats stupid geoengineering ideas to fight climate change?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

In today's class; how to pass a law that does nothing, affects no one, and makes idiots re-elect you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Wow, we're really gone aren't we. We're all the way fucked.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

100 years ago they banned mustachioed men from holding groundhogs above waist height for longer than 6 minutes per hour….

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah, but it got John the groundhog hoister to shave his awful mustache, so you know, time well spent

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

So it does just what it's designed to - nothing. Welp, guess you got your tin-foil-hat constituents covered. Time well spent.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited,

So just bring a camera to film it and say the express purpose is to make art, educational videos, documentaries, study dispersal patterns, etc.

It's totally cool to affect the environment accidentally or as a biproduct of another activity.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I guess this bans crop-dusting of any kind unless there is some altitude stipulation involved. Kinda funny if that pans out to be true because I'm sure these Tennessee Republicans are not too keen on organic farming practices.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"The intentional injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight is prohibited" the bill reads.

It's right there in the the description.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

so if I spread chemtrails with the intent to do mind control or population control or biological warfare, it's perfectly fine and legal. good to know

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

AH, so pesticide chemtrails are A OK for these folks! As long as is doesn't have the express purpose of affecting the temperature, weather, or intensity of sunlight, you can spray all kinds of fun chemtrails!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Clickbait headline.

Chemtrails aren't mentioned anywhere in the bill. They're banning solar geoengineering tests in the state. Which is at least something that some companies are studying, even though the tech doesn't exist yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

what are chemtrails, then? because the bill talks about "intentionally dispersing chemicals into the atmosphere" and to say that it doesn't ban chemtrails because it doesn't say the word "chemtrails" is a little bit dishonest in and of itself

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Chemtrails" are from a conspiracy theory that the government is spreading mind control agents through these contrails or vapor trails (the trails left behind airplanes sometimes). Here's an article discussing what they actually are.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I mean I support this bill. The solution to the climate catastrophe is a carbon tax and eventual carbon burning ban.

We need to shutdown these stupid ideas of geoentineering cooked up by the oil industry.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the solution is the overthrow of the global capitalist system, the transition of energy to solar, nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, etc. then banning cars, transitioning to 100% electric infrastructure

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Yes. And passing legislation that reduces the impact on the climate catastrophe in the meantime is good too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

They banned a fake thing that doesn't exist

This is the same as banning cubas havanah syndrome gun

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Its valid to ban something before it exists, however.

Nobody is disputing that oil companies are pouring money into geoentineering bullshit so they can continue to pollute.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Just convince Tennessee Republicans that airplanes aren’t real. Should be easy considering they’re completely capable of ignoring reality in favor of conspiracies. Problem solved. You’re welcome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

The way this things reads it either affects everything or nothing that gets pumped into the atmosphere. My guess is nothing because who will ever say their express purpose is to affect the temperature, weather, or the intensity of the sunlight?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

"This [is] as convincing as saying that alien beings walk among in disguise as people because some people act very strangely.," they added.

Psh, are you seriously saying that lizard alien people who control us all aren't walking disguised among us?? /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Critical support to Tennessean used car salesmen with brains so fried by Qanon they're stumbling backwards into opposing Bill Gates geo-engineering bullshit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Instantly successful... high fives all around!

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