My much simpler stance is: they don't want lemmy.world users on their instance, I'll respect that, I unsubbed from their communities and found the same elsewhere.

They're not the only Lemmy servers in the world, Lemmy is still new overall, I don't see any problem in "rebuilding" the 2 big subs they have somewhere else, I'm already putting my effort in contributing to make it so.

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But what is the magical ability to achieve step 2? How do you filter and moderate users reliably at scale?

The fundamental issue is that Beehaw wants to eat their cake and have it too. They want their users to be able to read and comment on other instances, but not have to mirror their content, pay for image hosting, etc. or allow other instances' users access to Beehaw's content.

They want the benefits of federation without giving anything in return.

You are just describing joining any one of the dozens on instances that aren't defederated from Beehaw or Lemmy.world - your INAA.net already exists in the form of all those instances which Beehaw didn't defederate from.

Unlikely to occur. Beehaw's admins hate dissent and anyone questioning them. Well before the blackout, they literally had a "no sources" rule because users kept questioning the mods. Likewise their current "rule set" states what they say, goes, and that everything is up to them, not the rules. They say that with all cases (except obvious trolls), that they will always warn first. I have yet to ever see any kind of warning from any of their admins.

They were being questioned on sh.it and on lemmy.world, so they blocked both. You can check their modlog to see just how little spam they had to deal with.

You can also pop in to look at their discord to see how much they dislike the criticism.

There’s a bunch of other instances. Like mine at discuss.online. Nothing new is needed.

Seems like you’re just suggesting everyone use beehaw with federated accounts.

They will just block that too. Let them be. They want to play in their own little sandbox.

With Lemmy there's actually a use case for user-only instances, which host no communities. Moderating well is tough and it makes sense to prevent brigading.

So we got defederated? I guess that explains the massive decline of activity here. It’s really not selling the fediverse for me if you can suddenly be cut off from the rest of the world just like that.

can't users from any other instance already do this?

beehaw blocks world so they can't see each other but users from other instances can still see both. I'm currently on lemmy.one and I'm subbed to comms at both beehaw and LWorld.

they only problem i see is for users in those specific instances as they can't see one another, but everyone else can see both.

i think the result here is that beehaw will be limiting itself. probably fine as they are overwhelmed right now anyway. it seems that's what they wanted to do from the start as well. if they begin blocking even more instances things will get smaller for them.

but hey, that's the beauty of the fediverse. if you want an instance that does exactly what you want then go for it. make your own. link to whoever you want and block whoever you want

speaking of that, are users getting more ways to block instances and communities? I'd like to have all the tools to customize my feed. there's no AI doing it for me (which is good) so i need the ability to do it myself

Your hypothetical 3rd server already exists as basically any other federated instance. I don't like the idea of having a central authority that controls user accounts though.

Maybe an alternative would be some sort of circle of trust type system that doesn't rely on a central authority?

You're basically describing how the fediverse works I think.

How is it different than the current situation where both lemmy.world and beehaw.org are connect to lemmy.ml?

I've been using both lemmy.world and beehaw.org from kbin.social. From what I can tell, I can see most posts/comments, though not immediately after they are posted on their original instances. And they can see my posts/comments.

It’s a great idea, but how do you propose verification on the INAA.net site? Using their current instance account details and seeing how many upvotes their comments and posts have received or something? Essentially developing a Karma tracking system that’s seperate to Lemmy.

Like you say a staging post, but then account elevation which allows it on more sensitive instances? I don’t know how we could guide new users to these staging instances though, unless every popular instance, where most content is created, draws up the bridges together and makes them read-only to the staging instances.

If beehaw didn’t want to get involved, it’s up to them, but I can see other instances who would want to use the service. Tbh the beehaw admins do sound like they a tad powermad so screw them anyway.

Lemmy needs a governing body, based on a democratic election system, to handle all this in all in sync between all instance admins. That body would also be in control of the master blocklists.