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Michael and Catherine Burke allege that the state’s Department of Children and Families discriminated against them for their Catholic viewpoints.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A social worker’s report attached to the complaint said the couple was asked how they would feel if a child in their care identified as LGBTQ or struggled with their gender identity. Kitty Burke responded by saying “let’s take the T out of it” and called gender-affirming care “chemical castration,” according to the report. She also said, “I’m going to love you the same,” but that the child “would need to live a chaste life.” Both Kitty and Michael Burke expressed hesitation around using a transgender or nonbinary person’s preferred pronouns, the social worker’s report noted.

Michael Burke told the social worker he’d been to gay weddings and would “likely attend” his child’s wedding if they were LGBTQ, according to the report, and the couple said they wouldn’t kick a child out of their home for being LGBTQ or subject them to conversion therapy.

Following the interview, the social worker issued an “approval with conditions, specifically around religion and LGBTQIA++ related issues.” Their application was later denied by the department’s Licensing Review Team, the complaint states.

“If you give me an LGBTQ kid, I’m going to be a horrible parent. Wait, why did you deny my parenting application? This is discrimination!”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know if I need to provide bonifides for being queer positive and not asking in bad faith, but why are there two pluses in that? It just makes me think of C++ and seems... jokey.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's why I generally prefer "queer". Plus, it's not an acronym, and reclaiming words is always good!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Many just say queer. Or LGBT. Companies and news organizations can't really settle on one thing to call us. Imo, LGBT+ gets the point across without being excessive.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (27 children)

This is why LGBTQ rights is so important. Imagine being a foster kids because of the US failed social safety net, only to be re homed in a religious bigoted house?! That's what the GOP wants for kids.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s exactly what happened to me as a kid. As a bonus, these religious nutjobs sexually abused their actual kid, and because I was just a foster kid, I wasn’t believed. Thank god my mom was able to get me out of that hell hole, but the trauma it caused me was so deep I didn’t even recognize how deep it was for almost 20 years.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And now red states made it legal to kidnapping LGBTQ children from loving homes to traditional homes

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what to say. I'm so sorry you went through that.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Nah don’t be sorry, just be angry at a system that allows such things, and at a religion that shields such people. I came out okay in the end, because I have a family that loves me and helps support me through my traumas, but I don’t know what happened to their kid, or if they were ever stopped. That’s the part that bothers me. Knowing that those sickos could still be out there presenting themselves as righteous Christians while doing such things.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago

Part of being a foster parent is agreeing to respect the child's situation, religious views, sexual orientation, etc. If I tell the state that I'm not going to take a kid to church if they're religious, I'm not getting approved. If I tell the state I'm going to teach potentially gay children that being gay is wrong, I'm not getting approved.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Holy shit. The foster system standing up for kids. Now there's something that sadly doesn't happen very often. I hope this couple get what they deserve

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is zero children to indoctrinate by way of fear and hate.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago

Sounds like the kinda family that if their teenager says they're gay, will abuse and abandon them.

So yeah, they can go suck an egg.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago

They’re asking the court to get rid of that discriminatory denial so that they will not be barred from fostering or adopting children in the future, in Massachusetts or elsewhere.

Stop discriminating against our discrimination! Thanks for the good laugh, Michael and Catherine Burke.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago

The nerve of people to cry they were discriminated against for their views as if their views weren't the original discriminator... It's just mind boggling.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why conservatives should not be permitted to be foster parents. Child abuse is a foundational principle of conservatism.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

As a child of conservatives, I can confirm...

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Becket previously represented Sharonell Fulton and Toni Simms-Busch in Fulton v. Philadelphia, a 2021 Supreme Court case that unanimously ruled in favor of a Catholic adoption agency’s right to refuse to place children with LGBTQ couples.

This highlights the hypocrisy that is endemic in the Catholic church these days. The couple feels they were discriminated against in the approval process due to their anti-Trans views, yet they are using a lawyer who was happy to take the opposite view when a Catholic adoption agency wanted to discriminate against LGBTQ couples.

Unfortunately, a key difference is that it's the State doing it in this case, and a private agency before. That may end up being the difference here. It still doesn't change the fact that the Catholic Church seems much more Interested in politics and litigating than actually helping people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not hypocrisy, it's their self-interest. They have a political agenda and are spending their lives doing what they can to enforce it, and that means helping their faction gain a foothold into every aspect of public life, especially raising children which they have said emphatically non-stop is all about forcing younger people who don't have the ability to reject them logically to adopt their beliefs. They only care about making more Christians and shutting out enemies of what they think constitutes Christianity, especially the LGBTQ+ community.

They're being entirely consistent in that light.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I agree no child should be placed in a home that would endanger them, but why is this even news? Couple needs to grow a pair and either change their views or just not adopt/foster. Go back to church or golf or whatever. Quit bothering the legal system. Perhaps they could volunteer for an LGBTQ organization and learn why "the T" doesn't make anyone different or lesser.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

There are even dozens of Christian adoption and fostering agencies that will completely ignore any and all criminal histories if you are godly enough. In fact, being as hypocritical as possible seems to be a selling point for these agencies. If you preach God's love but have smashed a racists face into the concrete and lost your job over it and then shot your dog in the street while your wife defrauds the public and scams vulnerable people to the point of being sued by the state of Texas then you are exactly who they are looking to foster.

Edit: apologies, my fat fingers bungled it: if you are a racist who smashes black people's faces into the concrete

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Yeah, child abuse isn’t an ideal trait to have if you intend to be the legal guardian of children.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Fuck that couple in particular.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Good, no child should be placed with parents who may discriminate against them for their natural state of being.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

"Views", meaning they'll abandon their child if they ever come out or acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's God's plan for them to stay the fuck away from children. First sensible thing that asshat's done.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

good? why should children be indoctrinated into bigotry

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

A social worker’s report attached to the complaint said the couple was asked how they would feel if a child in their care identified as LGBTQ or struggled with their gender identity. Kitty Burke responded by saying “let’s take the T out of it” and called gender-affirming care “chemical castration,” according to the report. She also said, “I’m going to love you the same,” but that the child “would need to live a chaste life.” Both Kitty and Michael Burke expressed hesitation around using a transgender or nonbinary person’s preferred pronouns, the social worker’s report noted.

Michael Burke told the social worker he’d been to gay weddings and would “likely attend” his child’s wedding if they were LGBTQ, according to the report, and the couple said they wouldn’t kick a child out of their home for being LGBTQ or subject them to conversion therapy

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think that until the church does a few strong demonstrations that they are not fiddling with children anymore - like, say, a public commitment to turn all allegations of child abuse over to secular authorities, like Biden just did with the military - that they should not be allowed access to children that they don't produce themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I'll allow it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So:

  1. They expressed bigoted views
  2. The SW passed them through anyway, "with conditions" which likely include "just don't give this couple any gay kids"
  3. They were ultimately denied for reasons not stated
  4. We actually have no other information about what they said apart from they don't like gay or trans kids

I think point 2 kinda invalidates the lawsuit, and point 4 is going to become extremely relevant when we find out they were fine with hitting kids who misbehaved or something.

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