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Hunger Games is about revolutionary anti-imperial class struggle

George Lucas said the Empire is inspired by America and the Rebels by the Viet Minh

The Matrix was created by a trans woman and at least partly an allegory for being trans

Divergent is shitty lib fanfiction but very obviously anti-conservative

Alan Moore was a communist or anarchist

wow these movies are just like January 6th when we resisted communism by smearing our shit on the capitol walls!! so-true biaoqing-copium

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

What a fucking coward. Most of them say liberalism is a mental disorder (true), this loser changed it to leftism.

Also I want to say that when I learned about capitalism, US hegemony, US propaganda, etc., I did think about the matrix a lot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Revolution is when MY emperor wins.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

WEF is a terrorist organization

Chuds think the club for capitalists is communist. An unreal amount of brainworms .

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I will maintain that Lucas' comparison of "Rebels as Viet Minh" is restricted to Return of the Jedi, and mostly has to be with them operating in a forest. Other than that, they're the US fighting the Empire's Nazis in WWII.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So the Nazis had taken over the whole globe (galaxy) and forced the US to hide and move between planets with secret bases and poorer weaponry?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If you substitute "western europe" instead it makes more sense, secret bases and poorer weaponry works for partisans. The US/allies in general are more represented in the space battles. I'll admit it's messy and doesn't map one to one, but the Vietnam War parallel is hardly perfect either (the empire is a domestic force, not a foreign occupier, for instance). See my other longer response as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Eh Viet Minh were under occupation by the US backed ROV so that checks out to some degree. Plus for Endor at least, they are fully foreign occupiers as with Tatooine

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's a copypasta from wayyyu back about a group playing a star wars ttrpg in public when an old ww2 vet and his wife take an interest, they explain the basics of Star wars and the dude replies 'so the rebels are the French resistance and the empire are space nazis?" He gets a yup from the group, joins in and becomes squad leader. It's one of those probably fake but damn I hope it's true ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I’ve read that one before, if I recall correctly the vet was a British commando.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve never seen him mention the comparison is such a specific way. What makes you think that?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've never seen an interview before maybe 20 years ago where he makes that claim at all, but I'll admit that something could exist and I could just be wrong. Anyway, to start I'd say that Star Wars is generally apolitical: the big evil empire follow the ideology of being evil and want to control the galaxy because they are evil, the rebels are the good guys who fight for good. As a result, looking to the text for political parallels isn't really possible, instead leaving us with the much mushier realm of vibes and aesthetics. To run through some points:

  • Lucas was inspired by lots of WWII films (see this article for a few examples), and basically just incorporated whatever he thought looked cool (like the rebel award ceremony in ANH being inspired by fucking Triumph of the Will. This leads to many thing being US (or maybe Allies)-coded, because most films he would have seen would have been about the americans/allies in WWII, with american/allied planes.
  • Similarly, the main climax of two of the movies are big space battles. IIRC the vietnamese airforce was tiny, leading to very few aerial engagements, while WWII had many famous aerial battles.
  • The war between empire and rebels is depicted as an existential struggle between good and evil. Nazis serve as the cultural shorthand for generic evil, which makes the rebels the allies by default.
  • Vader is really close to the german "vater" for father.
  • In RotJ the rebels launch a guerilla attack in a forest using the local indigenous people and their relatively low-tech weaponry to clown on the empire. This type of thing doesn't really occur in the two preceding movies.
  • Low-hanging fruit, but all of the main characters are white.

The one easy counter I'll concede is that tie fighters are clearly an analogy for carrier-based planes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So Vader might actually come from a jock Lucas went to highschool with. Meet Gary Vader https://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/12/01/the-origin-of-darth-vader-the-name

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That surprised the hell out of me cause of all the other sith names, I figured it was just short for 'invader'sinxe the other bad guys had names based off evil sounding words, Maul, idiots (like insidious), tyrannus. I guess he just made up.that theme after.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah when Vader is named he is very much not Luke's father. The connection is retroactive but Lucas sorta ran with it and made it a Sith thing by the time he got to Sidious

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Lucas does super on the nose naming a lot in general and it's just a surprise Vader was a real guys name and not just an example of that. Weird coincidence. Maybe it's what gave him that ideas which eventually led to General Grievious

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The tie in novels for ANH make it clear Darth Vader is just his name. Darth isn't a title, it's his first name.

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