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Hunger Games is about revolutionary anti-imperial class struggle

George Lucas said the Empire is inspired by America and the Rebels by the Viet Minh

The Matrix was created by a trans woman and at least partly an allegory for being trans

Divergent is shitty lib fanfiction but very obviously anti-conservative

Alan Moore was a communist or anarchist

wow these movies are just like January 6th when we resisted communism by smearing our shit on the capitol walls!! so-true biaoqing-copium

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve never seen him mention the comparison is such a specific way. What makes you think that?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've never seen an interview before maybe 20 years ago where he makes that claim at all, but I'll admit that something could exist and I could just be wrong. Anyway, to start I'd say that Star Wars is generally apolitical: the big evil empire follow the ideology of being evil and want to control the galaxy because they are evil, the rebels are the good guys who fight for good. As a result, looking to the text for political parallels isn't really possible, instead leaving us with the much mushier realm of vibes and aesthetics. To run through some points:

  • Lucas was inspired by lots of WWII films (see this article for a few examples), and basically just incorporated whatever he thought looked cool (like the rebel award ceremony in ANH being inspired by fucking Triumph of the Will. This leads to many thing being US (or maybe Allies)-coded, because most films he would have seen would have been about the americans/allies in WWII, with american/allied planes.
  • Similarly, the main climax of two of the movies are big space battles. IIRC the vietnamese airforce was tiny, leading to very few aerial engagements, while WWII had many famous aerial battles.
  • The war between empire and rebels is depicted as an existential struggle between good and evil. Nazis serve as the cultural shorthand for generic evil, which makes the rebels the allies by default.
  • Vader is really close to the german "vater" for father.
  • In RotJ the rebels launch a guerilla attack in a forest using the local indigenous people and their relatively low-tech weaponry to clown on the empire. This type of thing doesn't really occur in the two preceding movies.
  • Low-hanging fruit, but all of the main characters are white.

The one easy counter I'll concede is that tie fighters are clearly an analogy for carrier-based planes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So Vader might actually come from a jock Lucas went to highschool with. Meet Gary Vader https://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/12/01/the-origin-of-darth-vader-the-name

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That surprised the hell out of me cause of all the other sith names, I figured it was just short for 'invader'sinxe the other bad guys had names based off evil sounding words, Maul, idiots (like insidious), tyrannus. I guess he just made up.that theme after.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah when Vader is named he is very much not Luke's father. The connection is retroactive but Lucas sorta ran with it and made it a Sith thing by the time he got to Sidious

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Lucas does super on the nose naming a lot in general and it's just a surprise Vader was a real guys name and not just an example of that. Weird coincidence. Maybe it's what gave him that ideas which eventually led to General Grievious

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The tie in novels for ANH make it clear Darth Vader is just his name. Darth isn't a title, it's his first name.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yup. It is clear in the film itself. Obi-Wan repeatedly calls him "Darth" like it is his first name. The Obi-Wan show even tried to play with that by the end with Obi-Wan calling him Darth once he is sure Anakin is truly dead or rather chose to be this