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Kim Iversen on the Flour Massacre.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not to soon to qualify IDF as Nazis I hope.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some would say a little late.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I would say but obviously for capitalism its to soon

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Don't ask what they call holocaust survivor families if you're still holding out hope that they won't go full on into that comparison

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The German government called it an unfortunate use of weapons (originally "Schusswaffen" translating to shooting weapons)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The German government is an absolute joke in this context.

I often listen to their press conferences, and it's pathetic how they just can't get themselves to actually criticize anything.

Their goto response is "Israel has a right to self defense".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

since it's literally their fault Israel even exists, one can understand how they might not feel they have the right to comment... I mean it's a hangup from like 80 years ago and everyone involved in the decision is dead but ok

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

The German government is following their grandfathers path on genocide.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone have a link to this clip or press release? I tried to search but couldn't find it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jerusalem Post article

In response to the incident, National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir criticized the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

“Today, it was proven that the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza while hostages are being held captive in the Gaza Strip is not only madness, but it also endangers the life of IDF soldiers.

“This is another reason why we must stop the transfer of aid. In truth, the aid only harms IDF soldiers and provides oxygen to Hamas,” he concluded.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-789604

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Preface: I think it's a genocide and I think Israeli government should be occupied and torn down. However, I understand many legislators in various countries cannot use those words.

Part of the problem with demanding certain US Senators call it a genocide is that it's grounds for expulsion from Congress. A Genocide allows for intervention due to the 1948 Genocide Convention, so by calling it that you're asking for an invasion of an allied nation. Which can have you removed from office.

That's why Bernie Sanders calls it a "huge catastrophe", "massive disaster", "humanitarian crisis", and indeed even "senseless slaughter" but none of that is good enough for certain right wing and centrist critics who want nothing more than to light a fire under his ass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Enlighted centrism has brought us to this place. Get off the fence. This argument doesn't even seem to have any merit as Rashida Tlaib already called it a Genocide and she's still there.

7 November 2023 - Rashida Tlaib's claims of genocide in Gaza draw bipartisan criticism

Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress, had posted a video accusing President Joe Biden of supporting genocide in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And immediately as per your own article, House Republicans issued multiple measures to censure her.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which is not expulsion. Also Democrats supported this let's not forget that.

Silence is complicity. Nobody paid attention in history class it seems.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Censure of a Congressman is the same process as expulsion with a lower vote requirement. One of her Censure votes passed with bipartisan support. It is meant as a warning to them that they can be expelled. There is no guarantee that Tlaib won't be removed or that Bernie Sanders cannot be, either.

For a fucking choice of words. All if this is because slaughter has different connotation to you than genocide? Israel is already being set upon by Houthis, Iran, and Jordan so what's even the point, it's not like the USA is going to invade Israel themselves at this point.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

More fence sitting and centrism will fix this. That has always worked. Let's do that again.

When Bernie got sabotaged by the DNC in 2016 and then he still told people to vote for the establishment. That really changed everything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know what will definitely fix this? You trying to have left wing politicians expelled from Congress. /s

Fuck off, Israeli Shill.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the left wing party of Genocide denial.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The left wing party that consistently voted down funding to Netanyahu's regime. The left wing party that stands between Israel and actually fulfilling it's genocidal goals. I like how you didn't even deny being an Israeli Shill.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Last week I was a Russian shill. Then a Chinese one. Now an israeli one, that's new. A VPN truly works wonders.

In no way are Bernie and AOC standing between Genocide. They were controlled opposition in 2016, and they're controlled opposition now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Lmao I never tried to check your IP but nice self-report.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I feel like the bigger story here is that the vaccine skeptic has a better take on the genocide in Gaza than the US government and cable media.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I have no idea who she is. In this particular case she's right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

To be fair, most of them were actually run over, not shot.

It boggles the mind that they think this is a valid argument.

Edit: I know it isn’t true, it was a bullshit claim initially made by the IDF. But how is running them over instead even remotely better?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Something like 100 of the ~ 115 dead had bullet wounds, but that doesn't include the 700 or so wounded.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wrong. The only source for that claim is the idf. Doctors who received the wounded said 80% had gunshot wounds.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Are we into triple digits for "shit the IDF says that's soon proven to be utter bullshit" yet?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everything I've read said the majority where hit by bullets, source?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It was an initial claim made by the IDF.

I guess a /s was needed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It's more than just genocide, it's what happens whenever you let men have unfettered access to weapons to hurt and torture and kill. It's bloodshed and outright murder. And nothing in the world or in heaven above can ever justify it. There's only one commandment about any of it - "thou shalt not kill." (I'm not religious btw but, just saying). There is no exception because of "war," or because of freeing hostages, or anything else.