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If you care about the planet, please make sure you sit down before you start reading this post about ExxonMobil. (aus.social)
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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If you care about the planet, please make sure you sit down before you start reading this post about ExxonMobil.

So.

The CEO of ExxonMobil just said this in an interview: "We’ve waited too long to open the aperture on the solution sets in terms of what we need, as a society, to start reducing emissions."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

Who's the most influential voice on climate change? Who's to blame for inaction on climate change?

According to the CEO of ExxonMobil, it's environmental activists.

No, really:

"Frankly, society, and the activist—the dominant voice in this discussion—has tried to exclude the industry that has the most capacity and the highest potential for helping with some of the technologies."

Oh, and the CEO of ExxonMobil also apparently thinks consumers are to blame for climate inaction:

"Today we have opportunities to make fuels with lower carbon, but people aren’t willing to spend the money to do that."

Gets better.

He thinks unnamed 'people who generate emissions' should pay for it. (Rather than, say, major transnational oil companies.)

"People who are generating the emissions need to be aware of [it] and pay the price. That’s ultimately how you solve the problem."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

Worth including a quick reminder here that Exxon-Mobil made a US$36 billion profit in 2023: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-beats-estimates-ends-2023-with-36-billion-profit-2024-02-02/#:~:text=HOUSTON%2C%20Feb%202%20(Reuters),higher%20oil%20and%20gas%20production.

Not gross revenue.

Profit.

So, remind me again. Who knew about climate change before most of the public?

"Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue... This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

And just who, exactly, stood in the way reducing emissions all these years?

"ExxonMobil executives privately sought to undermine climate science even after the oil and gas giant publicly acknowledged the link between fossil fuel emissions and climate change, according to previously unreported documents...

"The new revelations are based on previously unreported documents subpoenaed by New York’s attorney general as part of an investigation into the company announced in 2015. They add to a slew of documents that record a decades-long misinformation campaign waged by Exxon, which are cited in a growing number of state and municipal lawsuits against big oil."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/14/exxonmobil-documents-wall-street-journal-climate-science

#oil #BigOil @fuck_cars #Urbanism #UrbanPlanning #ClimateChange #environment #ExxonMobil #Exxon #business #economy #politics #capitalism #ClimateCrisis

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You may want to add some information about all the subsidies the oil industry still gets, year on year, while the US government slashes subsidies for renewables: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds

The only way the oil industry can even remain viable, let alone competitive, is to prop it up with an unfair advantage in government money.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@voracitude I think the biggest subsidy of all is the hidden one.

Burning fossil fuels leads to more frequent and severe floods, droughts, bushfires, heatwaves, and hurricanes.

The costs of rebuilding and recovering from those disasters are a cost of using fossil fuels.

If the fossil fuel companies aren't paying that cost, they're receiving a subsidy. And it's already a massive one.

Also.

I didn't include it in the post above, but apparently the CEO of ExxonMobil is also totally against subsidies...

For climate action:

"The way that the government is incentivized and trying to catalyze investments in this space is through subsidies. Driving significant investments at a scale that even gets close to moving the needle is going to cost a lot of money.

...

"But I would tell you building a business on government subsidy is not a long-term sustainable strategy—we don’t support that."

https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Our military presence in the Middle East is a gigantic oil subsidy. Who does he think it is that is escorting oil tankers lol.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

He's not dumb, he's just an asshole

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars I agree with him people generating emissions should pay for it. Now let's see how many tons of CO2 does Exxon produce, from drilling oil, transporting crude, refining it, transporting it onwards to its final destination...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I mean, it's not like he's not aware that every word coming out of his mouth is a lie...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars He’s the CEO of Exxon! We know he’s an evil lying shit before he opens his mouth. Everything else is just embellishment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
It was said years ago, when climate change becomes undeniable, the deniers will blame the environmentalists. And that was a prediction not a joke.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars Colleague of mine has always felt when the true impacts arrive, scientists will be blamed. “Why didn’t you tell us it would be this bad?”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@fluids_guru @SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars the problem is that what scientist think of as conservative, and what politicians think of as conservative does not mash in this particular scenario.

the whole institution of science has been put into a corner where it's not their job to speak up, and if individual scientists do, this can have dramatic repercussions for their career. you'd need the entirety of climate science standing behind those crazy "activists" (scientists who are speaking out)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

@SNerd @ajsadauskas @fuck_cars projection is a tightly-coupled comorbidity of bad faith interlocutors.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Concerned about climate change?
You need to read @ajsadauskas 's 👆🏼 post (and some of the replies).

Besides denial, gaslighting (shoving responsibility on you), and greenwashing, the fossil fuel industry push to label climate activists as criminals.

Don't believe it?
They've been doing this for a while now, organised by such "institutions" as the Atlas network and ALEC.

https://newrepublic.com/article/175488/meet-shadowy-global-network-vilifying-climate-protesters

@fuck_cars

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Where are the firing squads, when we need to put the fossil fuel moguls to death?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

The article was paywalled for me, so here: https://web.archive.org/web/20240228154718/https://fortune.com/2024/02/27/exxon-ceo-darren-woods-interview-pay-the-price-for-net-zero/

The pictures are blurred out, but then again you're better off not looking at this lying bastard's face.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

the United States military is behind the curtain. All of their equipment requires silly amounts of fuel. They are the largest producer of greenhouse gases. They won't let the oil industry implode, and they will subsidize it as necessary. since nobody controls the military industrial complex enough to revolutionize their energy strategy in the trillions scale, nobody is driving this dumpster fire.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
Thank you for reading that (& summarizing) so I didn’t have to. I think my head would have exploded 🤯

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars
Where have we heard this before?

Look what you made me do!
God damn I'm glad the coppers will defend me you bitch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This guy looks like he did read @[email protected] book "Dark PR" and applied everything in it all at once.

Epic!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

@fuck_cars @ajsadauskas kinda like excluding tobacco companies from the directing the fight against cancer

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars People??!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars A vile man spreading disinformation; he'd have a bright future in the Republican Party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@pedrobizbikedu Why would he give up his position as puppet-master of both parties to be a puppet in just one?

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

1000007418

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wait... So, our "72 virgins" is a bigtiddied goth girl?

You sonnuvabitch, I'm in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

She could be smoltiddied too...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

NGL, that's my preference. Moth or no.

edit: meant "goth", but that works, too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Paint me like one of your Smol tiddied moth girls

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Depends on the brush, I guess?

edit: side note, that body type is apparently referred to as "show pony", and I'm a huge fan, myself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My princess is preferably the son of a neo-conservative politician so I can watch his father mald but I'll take what I can get.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars it's like the herd immunity argument 🤢

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars These companies are faced with a stark choice: either they continue down their current path of extracting fossil fuels, or they face extinction. The transition to renewable energy sources is too great a leap for them to make, given their existing profit margins and business models.

This is why nationalizing energy production is the only practical way forward.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@grantennis this may be relevant for you!

@fuck_cars

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars back sometime in the 80s a MAD Magazine issue had a bit called something like "What is Chutzpah?" with various helpful illustrations. The only one I remember was "pretty much anything you do if you're an executive of an oil company."

Ah, good times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars What penalty is appropriate for someone who dooms all of our descendants to a destroyed ecosystem, and then blames the very people who tried desperately to stop him for his own crimes?

Until truly, truly terrible things happen to these people, they will continue to escalate their attacks on all of our grandchildren, while mocking us, like they are doing in this quote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars It's all just capitalism doing exactly as it's supposed to do. Until we actually refuse to cooperate with capitalism-- refuse to work for capitalism, consume capitalism, defend capitalism-- we are all dooming humanity to be crushed to death by profit-seekers.
Base our interactions on humanity and its interconnected place in Life, *not* on Economy, which serves only the powerful, manipulative, murderous few.
Before you say it can't happen, try doing it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars The questions I have regarding this "interview": Why wasn't he asked after these statements since when Exxon knew about climate change and how Exxon acted on these internal information? Was it an interview or a PR piece for Exxon?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

@ajsadauskas @fuck_cars he’s still salty about activist ruining his little party last December

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