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Liberals adopting Tankie rhetoric on electoralism (hexbear.net)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Yes their both fascists of a decaying empire but you need to vote for the lesser fascist.

The OP is one of the semi-weekly Have you considered how bad Gaza will be under Trump? posts on lemmy.world. Obviously these people dont give a shit about Palestinians or else they'd have different priorities. So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest. Its just wild to see how far they will bend to the left's framing and rhetoric while offering them absolutely nothing.

I bet I can get one to say "Please vote for the turd currently sponsoring a white-supremacist settler-colonial apartheid state's genocide of the indegenious population, or else the other turd will sponsor it more." if I said it would make me vote for Biden and I was in a swing state. They're so fucking desperate. My man, that shit ain't gonna work. The jpeg of a hundred mediocre things Biden's done because you couldn't point to any one good thing was working more than this.

PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 8 months ago

"You have to vote for the real existing genocide because i'm afraid of the imaginary theoretical genocide in my head"

barbara-pit

They went from " vote for the lesser evil" to "vote for the lesser genocide" with so little effort.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They refuse to consider how Democrats will reflexively become anti-Trump as soon as he is in office, which could collapse the bipartisan genocide consensus.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Never underestimate how strong the bipartisan genocide consensus is

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fair. I'm just thinking that Trump derangement is pretty strong too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump derangement is based on aesthetics. The genocide consensus is structural to American imperialism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure, and I think liberals will still join opposition to genocide on purely aesthetic grounds. The genocide definitely looks bad. They'll be squishy allies that fold at the first opportunity or sign of push-back, but it's a hell of a lot better than them being strong supporters.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The keffiyeh is going to be so hip in 2025. All my new fake friends will be wearing it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Excited for a brand new liberalism emoji, but with a keffiyeh instead of a kente cloth. I think it'll be chuck Schumer in the lead this time too for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Yup if Trump was president every elected dem would have "from the river to the sea" in their Twitter bio.

But it's a dem president so instead that's a terrorist slogan.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

voting for the lesser of two evils allows us to buy time

YOU GOT IN THE WAY OF ALL OF THAT! THAT WAS THE IDEA A LOT OF LESS RADICAL LEFTISTS WERE TALKING ABOUT AND LIBERALS SANDBAGGED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!!! YOU'RE NOT SETTING UP TO BUY MORE TIME, YOU'RE ALREADY BURNING THE CLOCK!!!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Been burning the clock for 52 years and all they have to show for it is one Supreme Court ruling. SMH.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I want this point to be made to every lib who acts surprised when conditions inevitably collapse and fascists dole out pogroms.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

The party of “history happens when I say it happens” doesnt understand it’s living through history

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So what you're telling me is that my only choice is what flavor of fascism we descend into? Wow, I sure do love harm reduction.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Boy that sure seems like an argument that democracy is a failed system if your only choice is what kind of fascism you elect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

But don't forget, we live in a democracy™

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago

Liberal brain overclocking so hard that it starts to catch fire

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If Trump's elected liberals will be forced to oppose "christofascism" while right now they don't oppose neoliberal fascism

The country in general is more united against Trump then it is against Biden

@[email protected] why do you pretend to oppose neoliberal fascism, everyone can see you're full of shit

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yo that ain't them. And don't @ the real person. The most generous interpretation of their post history is they're a legit doomer radlib.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Thanks for looking out, but I'm still gonna @ them, theyre a grown up they can explain their position themself

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Russia's election is in 2 weeks. We need to also make sure we vote for Putin also. I think he's wrong to invade Ukraine, but lets not delude ourselves that Leonid Slutsky wont be much worse! Progressives need to fall in line and declare their support for Vladimir Putin

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Im voting Leo from Slut

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest.

This reads more like a lib struggling with the last few excuses they can muster for supporting Democrats. They're calling Biden a neoliberal fascist, after all!

This is exactly who you want to interrogate those excuses with -- they're 90% of the way there already. "I don't know, man, supporting an ongoing genocide is my red line" seems like a good approach for folks like this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

And not just the one over there. All presidents have had genocidal stances regarding indigenous people here in the US.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question

Never underestimate how patronizingly condescending libs will get towards the minorities they claim to champion when those minorities get uppity.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Al this fear mongering about how terrible a Trump term will be would be a lot more effective if we hadn't all lived through a Trump term, and then watch him get voted out despite doing everything he could to stop it, and then watch dems not do anything about all the terrible things that did happen during his first term because they suddenly weren't a big deal when a dem was president.

God forbid women and Trans people lose rights and become scapegoats for everything wrong in the country and we participate in a genocide while a republican is president instead of doing all that with a democratic president as God intended.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As if Biden isn't the accelerationist choice.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Literally.

Trump randomly derails actual fascism because somebody didn't kiss his ass hard enough, liberals want to make sure the fascism machine is running at peak efficiency.

Perfect examples democrats tried to eliminate asylum status for immigrants and suggest literally just turning EVERYBODY away afyer a certain number of people apply on one day, the most cruel policy proposed for the border to date. Fortunately Trump randomly decided to torpedo that deal because he didn't want democrats to get credit for being extra cruel on the border.

This is a concrete recent real life example of the incompetent fascists being less dangerous than the spineless fascist enablers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Desperate times ask for desperate measures. biden-leftist

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is your obligatory reminder that a vote for a slow fascism over fast fascism is still a vote for fascism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Listen, kiddo, I get it. I don't like the two-fascist-party system. I think our country is corrupt and fascist and, quite frankly, I don't wanna vote for Biden; it feels like voting for a fascist, but I'm gonna do it. You wanna know why? Because the alternative is a fucking christo-fascist. A christo-fascist. It's a christo-fascist. Maybe we can have the conversation about dismantling the two-fascist-party system when a christo-fascist isn't running. Maybe we can do that later, kiddo. Champ. Chief. Maybe we can talk about it later.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Liberals are like "Biden might be a fascist but he's our fascist"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

god i fucking hate "solarpunk." took cool things like environmentalism and diy and made it cringe lib shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Solarpunk is cool regardless if its currently a liberal fad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tankie has the opposite effect on me. I don't care that they call me one and it signals to me that they see a cringe ass lib.

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